I'm learning about EDI and there are many acronyms and standards that seem to overlap.
What is the difference between EDI (and a EDI translator) and AS2 (which seem to be EDI over HTTP)? Then there is GS1, whith it's own subsets (GS1 EANCOM GS1 XML
GS1 UN/CEFACT XML) and EDIFACT.
Why would one use an EDI translator like BOTS together with an AS2 server ? Are they complementary?
Is there a map, a guide or explanation of how do all theese standars work together in the context of supply chain ? (i.e: a warehouse which ships to client's own warehouses or stores).
Thanks
From Walmart Getting Started with EDI
Implementation Guide ( http://cdn.corporate.walmart.com/5d/8d/897b4bb84a95bb05214bf897cee3/edi-getting-started-guide.pdf )
What is EDI?
a. Simply stated, EDI (Electronic Data Interchange) is the
electronic exchange of business documents between suppliers and retailers.
b. EDI is comprised of two components: translation and communication.
i. During translation, a business document is changed—or “translated”—into
a standardized EDI format.
c. There are various EDI standards (or formats) that a company may use.
i. Please view “How is EDI data formatted?” for more information about the
EDI standards that we support.
d. Once a business document is translated into an EDI format it is communicated—
or electronically sent—to the intended recipient.
e. There are several methods of EDI communications available, but the method
utilized by Walmart and our suppliers is AS2.
What is EDIINT AS2?
a. EDIINT (EDI over the Internet) is a set of communication protocols, introduced by
the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) in 1995, used to securely transmit data
over the Internet.
i. Although EDIINT was initially designed to transport EDI data, it may also be
used to transfer non-EDI data.
b. One version of EDIINT is AS2 or Applicability Statement 2.
i. The UCC (Uniform Code Council) has facilitated the development and
interoperability testing of the AS2 standard.
ii. AS2 supports EDI or other data file transmissions over the Internet using
HTTP/HTTPS.
c. AS2 is a specification about how to transport data, not how to validate or process
the content of the data.
d. AS2 specifies the means to connect, deliver and receive data in a secure and
reliable way.
e. AS2 is not an asynchronous or FTP solution; it is an Internet Protocol based solution
that uses standard HTTP/HTTPS communications to transmit data.
f. For more information on EDIINT AS2, or for a list of interoperable-tested AS2
software providers, visit http://www.drummondgroup.com.
Getting Started with EDI – Implementation Guide
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g. For additional information see the EDIINT FAQ’s within Retail Link™ on the ECommerce/EDI
page.
How is EDI data formatted?
a. The information is formatted using EDI standards.
b. Walmart currently supports:
i. ANSI X12 (American National Standards Institute)
UCS (Uniform Communications Standards)
VICS (Voluntary Inter-industry Commerce Standard)
ii. EDIFACT (Electronic Data Interchange For Administration, Commerce and
T+ransport)
c. Walmart stays within the VICS and UCS guidelines for our major documents within
the United States and Canada. EDIFACT is only used for suppliers outside of the
U+S and Canada and those that will be directly importing merchandise for our
company.
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I have Transport Management System. Now one of my carrier want to send me EDI document for Shipment Tracking. that document is EDI 214 (Transportation Carrier Shipment Status Message).Now I'm not clear what I'll need at receiving side. I did some search on google and there are lot's of information regarding EDI and it's workflow. But I'm not clear what should I need at Receiver Side.
Do I need to open any port at my side for receiving document ? Do I need EDI Translator software ? Please Help me as I'm new to EDI.
Thanks so much for any help.
The good news is that receiving X12 is typically easier than generating X12, so your use case is simple relative to bi-directional communication. You are receiving X12 EDI 214s, so it is a single flow in one direction.
The best way to think about this is to ask 1) what is my input I am receiving? and 2) what is the output I want to generate? You are receiving an EDI 214, so presumably you want to generate a JSON/XML/CSV object with just the tracking data that you ERP (system of record) can ingest.
So you need a few things in a typical "EDI architecture"
File transfer protocol (an SFTP is easiest) that you trading partner can connect to and send files to
You need to translate that X12 to JSON (you should check out www.stedi.com/docs/edi-core to do that)
You need to "Map" that file to your output schema (and perhaps convert it to XML/CSV)
You need to post that file to your ERP system
You need to send an EDI 997 (acknowledgement) back to the sender to say "I got it" (think of a read receipt on SMS). Note: some times this is optional
EDI is text, formatted a specific way (aligned to a published standard). To receive files, you have options (but also depends on what the sender supports). Everything from email to 3rd party value added networks, to signed/encrypted HTTP pushes (AS2).
You'll need to agree how you're trading these electronic documents. Once you receive it, then you'll need to parse it. This can be done using 3rd party translators, or you can write it yourself. If the partner requires a 997 (an acknowledgement you received the file), you'll have to generate that. Most 3rd party tools will do that for you. 3rd party tools typically consist of a mapper (drag and drop from source to target) as well as communication mechanisms. Some are cheap, some are expensive. It depends on what you and the sender agree upon to get to the level of effort that you have.
For simplicity sake, you could just set up FileZilla FTP and have the sender place the order there. Then have a process (script, program, etc) to pick up the file, parse it into something your ERP/WMS can understand (XML, JSON, CSV, etc). Again, that assumes the partner supports clear FTP. Some partners demand encryption.
I want to extract patient data from Vista EHR CPRS tool in some standard HL7 format. But I am not able to get any option in it to download patient data in XML format.
So does CPRS doesn't support extracting of patient data in standard xml format? Is there a way in which I can download data in CCD fomat?
Any help much appreciated. Thanks
It is an EHR product, it may or may not have interfacing capabilities which for new starters is like extracting patient data and creating an HL7 message out of it. You really need first understand the EHR. You can contact the direct support for Vista EHR CPRS tool and ask.
EHR products vary differently some have this as a built in feature some do not and require another tool like Mirth for integration purpose that connects to the same database that this product is on and provide the capacity to interface.
I got this reference from wikipedia which clearly states the use of Mirth
"Tools for CCR/CCD support have been developed for VistA, allowing VistA to communicate with other EHRs using these standardized information exchange protocols.This includes the Mirth open source cross platform HL7 interface and NHIN Connect, the open source health information exchange adaptor."
I'm new to EDI and have to implement it in a legacy system.
I want to make sure I have the higher level overview correct:
1) Generate EDI file from my system for a given trading partner
2) Probably FTP it to them
3) response is ftp'd to me and I scrape that back into my system
Do I about have the concept down?
I understand most trading partners tweak the standards so there's quite a lot of work there?
You have the workflow down at a VERY high level
As always, the devil is in the details.
Terminology - segments / elements / delimiters
Enveloping the data (ISA / GS / SE segments)
Control numbers on the envelopes
Communication - is it really FTP? clear or secure? what about VAN or
AS2 protocols?
Business Logic - application side, or translation side? Which makes
more sense?
997 Reconciliation
Document Auditing (required? To what level?)
Partner testing protocols
Consider my environment for vendor facing EDI:
850 PO out
997 in to us
855 in to us
997 out from us
856 in to us
997 out from us
810 in to us
997 out from us
For customer facing EDI:
850 in to us
997 out from us
855 out from us
997 in to us
810 out from us
997 in to us
As you can see, a few documents in our life cycle for a transaction.
What documents are you working with? If it is an 837, generating an EDI file is not trivial. Even if it in an 856, you have to deal with hierarchical loops that you have to account for when translating (more so with the 837 though).
Are you planning on writing your own parser / translator? If so, why? Are you going to write your own acknowledgement reconciliation routine? Syntax validation? The best thing is to connect your legacy application with a commercial translator rather then reinvent the 30 year old wheel. Lots of drag / drop mappers that can connect to legacy systems (Delta is probably one of the best on the market, but there are some quality open source alternatives like BOTS) . The X12 standard has a little wiggle room for bastardization. I've seem some crazy implementations though. By and large, more partners conform rather than do what they want. The ones that have wild requirements usually opt for XML, as they have more range in the document structure and aren't limited by standard. If you have 4 partners and 2 are version 4010, and 2 are 5010, then you would have to code (or map) accordingly. There are tools out there to help, but again, the devil is in the details.
a good tutorial can be found at http://www.rdpcrystal.com/what-is-edi/
it shows the basic interaction between EDI parties as well as message information
What Difference HL7 V3 and CDA, really until now I haven't got precise answer
please help me
Thanks.
HLv2.x is messaging protocol which was mostly ascii/text based, and also had an xml support to it. The problem was that HL7v2.x had boundaries for customization to about 20 percent That is why some times HL7 is also referred to as an open standard.
In order to scrap off customization, attain consistency and enable Plug N Play messaging, RIM - Reference Information Model was created. That gave an Object oriented approach to HL7 messaging standard.
Based on RIM, CDA Clinical Document Architecture was developed.If you say you using v3 or CDA both mean the same. v3 message is completely XML based allowing no region for customization unlike v2.7.
UPDATE: This question here also adds more information about the schemas used by v3 and CDA.
Key Differences
HL7 V2
Not “Plug and Play” – it provides 80 percent of the interface and a framework to negotiate the remaining 20 percent on an interface-by-interface basis
Historically built in an ad hoc way because no other standard existed at the time
Generally provides compatibility between 2.X versions
Messaging-based standard built upon pipe and hat encoding
V2 is what most people think of when people say “HL7″
HL7 V3
Approaching “Plug and Play” – less of a “framework for negotiation”
Many decades of effort over ten year period reflecting “best and brightest” thinking
NOT backward compatible with V2
Model-based standard built upon Reference Information Model (RIM) provides consistency across entire standard
Messaging in XML format.
Clinical Document Architecture (CDA) is what most people think of when people say “HL7 V3″
Example
v3
<author>
<time value="200202150730"/>
<modeCode code="WRITTEN"/>
<signatureCode code="S"/>
<assignedEntity>
<id root="2.16.840.1.113883.19.1122.3" extension="444-444-4444"/>
<assignedPerson>
<name>
<given>Harold</given>
<given>H</given>
<family>Hippocrates</family>
<suffix qualifier="AC">MD</suffix>
</name>
</assignedPerson>
</assignedEntity>
v3 is under continous development. Even today, most of the healthcare applications, still continue to use v2.x.
CDA are HL7 documents, while HL7 V.x are messages. Long story short, the CDA aims for human readability AND machine processing while messages only aim for machine processing.
Here's a good link which describes both paradigms.
A CDA is self-contained and static while a HL7 message describes a dynamic action on a object (A08 for example to update a visit's details or A05 to pre-admitt a patient.)
HL7 V.x messages are purely event driven while the content (Such as an OBX-5 field) may contain a static value. We for example used ORU messages to embedd x-ray results as binary stream.
I think you need to be a bit more specific on HL7. Do you mean HL7 V2 or HL7 V3.
CDA is a specific model created using HL7V3 ( and its underlying Reference Information Model ) to represent a clinical document. So in fact CDA is HL7v3, in as much it is an instance of a model created using HL7V3.
From my knowledge of CDA and the wider use of HL7V3, CDA is by far the most successful and widespread use of HL7V3.
CDA is an specification of HL7 v3. V3 is divided in domains, and CDA is like one specific domain for clinical documents. The Reference Information Model (RIM) of v3 is the general model for all v3 based standards, CDA is just one of those standards.
The CDA and HL7 v 3.x are synonymous.
A tutorial is talking about cin and cout:
"Syntactically these streams are not used as functions: instead, data are written to streams or read from them using the operators <<, called the insertion operator and >>, called the extraction operator."
What is a 'stream'?
Consider a "Stream" as a physical hose, or pipe. At one end, someone may pour some water in. At the other end, it will come out. This is 'reading' and 'writing' to the stream.
A stream is just a place where data goes. It can be a 'socket stream' (over the internet) or a 'file stream' (to a file), or perhaps a 'memory stream', just data written to a place in-memory (ram).
A "stream" is an object that represents a source of data, or a place where data can be written.
Examples include file handles and pipes - things that you can read data from or write data to.
An important property of streams is that they share a common interface, so the same code can write to either a file or a pipe (for instance) without needing to be rewritten.
You should look at streams as abstractions on underlying 'sources' or 'sinks' of data. A source is something you read data from, and a sink is something you write data to.
The concept of streams allows you to perform I/O on various forms of media, network connections, pipes between applications, files, etc.
The stream abstraction is very valuable to us as developers as it allows us to simplify input and output, and it gives us the flexibility to arrange and reconnect the sources and destinations of these streams.
A good analogy is that of a hose. You can send and receive data through hoses, and you can connect these hoses to various things.
By allowing programs to talk through hoses, we allow all sorts of programs to talk to each other, and we increase interoperability and utility vastly.
This is at the heart of the UNIX philosophy, and supports some very powerful programming idioms.