I have been trying to set up a working crate cluster on Giant Swarm for quite a while now but haven't been really successfull so far.
Here are my attempts so far:
Using multicast and deploying crate as a single component. This works if all instances of this component end up on the same host, unfortunately this isn't reliable.
Using unicast with two components, which each expose port 4300 via url. This results in messages being received by each component in the discovery interval ( every 30 secounds by default ). Unfortunately Giant Swarm only supports HTTP on its urls, so all messages that are error messages from something other than HTTP being sent by the component.
Using unicast with two components and trying to discover them via their IPs. I set up Giant Swarm dependencies from one component to the other (circular dependencies are not supported). I can't get this to work because Giant Swarm doesn't allow me to run scripts before the docker container is created ( which is used in this blog post to run crate on the google cloud platform ) and docker does not support bidirectional linking.
I am out of ideas at this point, is there something I am missing about either crate or Giant Swarm? The only example I saw so far of something similar working was the blog post I linked above and it uses a mechanic I cannot use on Giant Swarm.
I would appreciate any kind of input on how to make this work or ideas leading in the right direction.
The current (May 2015) answer is: On a private Giant Swarm cluster, which we provide to customers on request, we support Multicasting. So the road is paved there for Crate.IO clustering.
We use Weave for the networking part.
Edit September 2015: We just published a blog post explaining how to set up a Crate cluster on Giant Swarm.
I'm sorry to say that it is not possible to deploy a Crate cluster (>1 node) on Giant Swarm at the moment (due to reasons you've mentioned). We (Crate.IO) are already in contact with Giant Swarm regarding that.
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I'm new in service mesh with Consul.
I found a lot of documentation about using Consul and Envoy for service mesh in K8S but I'm not finding much documentation about using it on docker swarm (Enterprise Edition).
My question is: is it possible to implement it on Docker Swarm EE? If not, what are the technical reasons that prevent or not recommend to implement it?
I wondered the same.
The main problem with docker swarm it seems is it lacks the concept of "sidecar" containers. For example, k8's has "pods". I haven't used k8's, but my understanding is that, you can group services into a unit called a "pod". This has benefits and really enables the mesh style architecture.. one reason is that services in the same "pod" can all communicate through "localhost" on different port bindings - i.e the services are "local" to eachother. When you want a "companion" service this is what you need as you know communicating with it is going to be fast as it is essentially local / co located with your app. Now consider swarm. You can add services to your stack, but you don't necessarily know where they are going to be placed - your "side car proxy" servcice could end up being placed on node 2 whilst your app is on node 1. This is not very efficient as it means there are now network hops to route traffic between your app and its "sidecar" proxy which could be on the other side of the data centre, but should really be local. So you start thinking of creative workarounds.. What about if I use "placement" settings to place my service and the sidecar service on the same node? Well then you lose the ability for swarm to place them on a different node if that node goes down, because your placement options have confined it to only one node. What if.. you deploy the "sidecar" proxy as a "global" service so that it is available on each node? Then your apps should all be able to communicate with the service via the IP address of whatever node its on.. but how do you configure that IP address per task (container)? I'm exploring that option, but then that gives you a single sidecar instance per node (1 instance to potentially serve many services) so this has impacts for how you scale that sidecar. I think possibly one other solution is that you have to embed these "sidecar" services into your own service docker image so that they are truly running locally with your app. However I haven't seen any that really advocate that approach so it's most likely fraught with hurdles to overcome. Most documentation is for k8s,, and nothing for swarm for these sorts of reasons. If only swarm could have added this ability in it's style of simplicity it would extend its reach so much.
I recently finished a project where I created an App consisting of several docker containers. The purpose of the app was to collect some data and safe it to an databank and also allow user interactions over an simple web gui. The app was hosted on four different Raspberry Pi's and it was possible to collect data from all physicial maschines through an api. Further you could do some simple machine learning tasks like calculating anomalies in the sensor data of the Pi's.
Now I'm trying to take the next step and using kubernetes for some load balancing and remote updates. My main goal is to remote update all raspberries from my master node. Which, in theory, would be a very handy feature. Also I want to share the ressources of the Pi's within the cluster for calculations.
I read a lot about Kubernets, Minikube, K3's, Kind and all the different approaches to set up an Kubernetes cluster, but feel like I am missing "a last puzzle piece".
So from what I understood I need an approach which allows me to set up an local (because all machines are laying on my desk/ no cloud needed) multi node cluster. My master node would be (idealy) my laptop, running Ubuntu in a virtual machine. My rasberry's would be my slave/worker nodes. If I would want to update my cluster I can use the kubernetes remote update functionality.
So my question out of this would be: Does it makes sense to use several rasberries as nodes in a kubernetes cluster and to manage them from one master node (laptop) and do you have any suggestions about the way to achieve this setup.
I usally dont like those question not containing any specific code or questions by myself, but feel like an simple hint could accelerate my project noteable. If it's the wrong place please feel free to delete this question.
Best regards
You didn't mention which rpi models you are using, but I assume you are not using rpi zeros.
My main goal is to remote update all raspberries from my master node.
Assuming that by that you mean updating your applications running in kubernetes that is installed on rpi then keep reading. Otherwise ignore all I wrote, and what you probably need is ansible or other simmilar provisioning/configuration-management/application-deployment tool.
Now answering to your question:
Does it makes sense to use several rasberries as nodes in a kubernetes cluster
yes, this is why people created k3s, so such setup is possible using less resources.
and to manage them from one master node (laptop)
assuming you will be using it for learning purpouses then why not. It is possible, but just be aware that when master node goes down (e.g. when you turn off your laptop), all cluster goes down (or at least api-server communication so you wont be able to change cluster's state). Also make sure you are using bridge networking interface for your VM so it is visible in your local network as a standalone instance.
and do you have any suggestions about the way to achieve this setup.
installing k3s on all nodes would be the easiest in your case. There are plenty of resources on the internet explaining how to achieve it.
One last thing I would like to explain is the thing with updates.
Speaking of kubernetes updates you need to know that kubernetes doesn't update itself automatically. You need to explicitly update it. New k8s version is beeing released every 3 months that sometimes "breaks" things and backward compatibility is not possible (so always read changelog before updating stuff because rollbacks may not be possible unless you backed up an etcd cluster earlier).
Speaking of updating applications - To run your app all you do is send yaml files describing your application to k8s and it handles the rest. So if you want to update your app just update the tag on container image to newer version and k8s will handle the updates. Read here more about update strategies in k8s.
Our cloud application consists of 3 tightly coupled Docker containers, Nginx, Web and Mongo. Currently we run these containers on a single machine. However as our users are increasing we are looking for a solution to scale. Using Kubernetes we would form a multi container pod. If we are to replicate we need to replicate all 3 containers as a unit. Our cloud application is consumed by mobile app users. Our app can only handle approx 30000 users per Worker node and we intend to place a single pod on a single worker node. Once a mobile device is connected to worker node it must continue to only use that machine ( unique IP address )
We plan on using Kubernetes to manage the containers. Load balancing doesn't work for our use case as a mobile device needs to be tied to a single machine once assigned and each Pod works independently with its own persistent volume. However we need a way of spinning up new Pods on worker nodes if the number of users goes over 30000 and so on.
The idea is we have some sort of custom scheduler which assigns a mobile device a Worker Node ( domain/ IPaddress) depending on the number of users on that node.
Is Kubernetes a good fit for this design and how could we implement a custom pod scale algorithm.
Thanks
Piggy-Backing on the answer of Jonah Benton:
While this is technically possible - your problem is not with Kubernetes it's with your Application! Let me point you the problem:
Our cloud application consists of 3 tightly coupled Docker containers, Nginx, Web, and Mongo.
Here is your first problem: Is you can only deploy these three containers together and not independently - you cannot scale one or the other!
While MongoDB can be scaled to insane loads - if it's bundled with your web server and web application it won't be able to...
So the first step for you is to break up these three components so they can be managed independently of each other. Next:
Currently we run these containers on a single machine.
While not strictly a problem - I have serious doubt's what it would mean to scale your application and what the challenges that come with scalability!
Once a mobile device is connected to worker node it must continue to only use that machine ( unique IP address )
Now, this IS a problem. You're looking to run an application on Kubernetes but I do not think you understand the consequences of doing that: Kubernetes orchestrates your resources. This means it will move pods (by killing and recreating) between nodes (and if necessary to the same node). It does this fully autonomous (which is awesome and gives you a good night sleep) If you're relying on clients sticking to a single nodes IP, you're going to get up in the middle of the night because Kubernetes tried to correct for a node failure and moved your pod which is now gone and your users can't connect anymore. You need to leverage the load-balancing features (services) in Kubernetes. Only they are able to handle the dynamic changes that happen in Kubernetes clusters.
Using Kubernetes we would form a multi container pod.
And we have another winner - No! You're trying to treat Kubernetes as if it were your on-premise infrastructure! If you keep doing so you're going to fail and curse Kubernetes in the process!
Now that I told you some of the things you're thinking wrong - what a person would I be if I did not offer some advice on how to make this work:
In Kubernetes your three applications should not run in one pod! They should run in separate pods:
your webservers work should be done by Ingress and since you're already familiar with nginx, this is probably the ingress you are looking for!
Your web application should be a simple Deployment and be exposed to ingress through a Service
your database should be a separate deployment which you can either do manually through a statefullset or (more advanced) through an operator and also exposed to the web application trough a Service
Feel free to ask if you have any more questions!
Building a custom scheduler and running multiple schedulers at the same time is supported:
https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/administer-cluster/configure-multiple-schedulers/
That said, to the question of whether kubernetes is a good fit for this design- my answer is: not really.
K8s can be difficult to operate, with the payoff being the level of automation and resiliency that it provides out of the box for whole classes of workloads.
This workload is not one of those. In order to gain any benefit you would have to write a scheduler to handle the edge failure and error cases this application has (what happens when you lose a node for a short period of time...) in a way that makes sense for k8s. And you would have to come up to speed with normal k8s operations.
With the information provided, hard pressed to see why one would use k8s for this workload over just running docker on some VMs and scripting some of the automation.
I'm totally new to docker and started yesterday to do some tutorials. I want to build a small test application consisting of several different services (replicated and so on) that interact with each other and encountered a problem regarding 'service-discovery'. I started with the get-started tutorials on docker.com and at the moment i'm not really sure what's best practice in the world of docker to let the different containers in a network get to know each other...
As this is a rather vague 'problem description', i try to make this more precise. I want to use a few independent services (e.g. with stuff like postgre, mongodb, redis and rabbitmq...) together with a set of worker nodes to which work is assigned by a dedicated master node. Since it seems to be quite convenient, I wanted to use a docker-composer.yml file to define all my services and deploy them as a stack.
Moreover, I created a custom network and since it seems not to be possible to attach a stacked service to a bridge network, I created an attachable overlay network.
To finally get to the point: even though the services are deployed correctly, their actual container-name is random and without using somekind of service registry I'm not able to resolve their addresses.
A simple solution would be to use single containers with fixed container names - however this does not seem to be a best practice solution (even though it is actually just a docker-based DNS that is based on container names rather than domain names). Another problem are the randomly generated container names that contain underscores, and hence these names are not valid addresses that can be resolved...
best regards
Have you looked at something like Kubernetes? To quote from the home page:
It groups containers that make up an application into logical units for easy management and discovery.
We are looking into using Docker plus either Mesos/Marathon or Kubernetes for hosting a cluster. However, the one issue that we haven't really seen any answers for is how to allow clustered services to connect to each other correctly. All of the ones that I have seen need to know about at least one other node before they can join the cluster. Some need to know about every node. However, in Kubernetes and Mesos, there's no way to know what those IP addresses are ahead of time.
So, are there any best practices for this? If it helps, some technologies we're looking into deploying as containers are ElasticSearch, ActiveMQ, and MongoDB. There may be others.
However, the one issue that we haven't really seen any answers for is how to allow clustered services to connect to each other correctly.
I think you're talking about HA/replicated/sharded apps here.
At the moment, in kubernetes, you can accomplish this by making an api call listing all the "endpoints" of the service; that will tell you where your peers are running.
We'd eventually like to support the use case you describe in a more first-class manner.
I filed https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/kubernetes/issues/3419 to maybe get something more standardized started here.
I also wanted to setup an ElasticSearch cluster using Mesos/Marathon. As the existing "solutions" either were merely undocumented, or not working/outdated, I set up my own container.
If you like, have a look at https://github.com/tobilg/docker-elasticsearch-marathon
If you have a running Marathon installation (I use v0.8.1), then setting up an ElasticSearch cluster should be a matter of a few minutes.
UPDATE:
The container now uses Elasticsearch v1.5.2 and is able to run on the latest Marathon v0.8.2.
As for Kubernetes, it currently does require kube-controllers-manager to start with --machines argument given a list of minion IPs or hostnames.
I don't see any easy way how to handle this correctly in Kubernetes now. Yes, you could make a call to the API that returns list of endpoints but you must watch for changes and take an action when endpoints change...
I would prefer to use Mesos/Marathon that is well prepared for this scenario. You should implement custom Framework for Mesos. There is already Framework for ElasticSearch prepared: http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/mesos-frameworks/