We have a Master erlang node that has an application with a supervisor and multiple, dynamically added worker processes. For each worker process, there is another erlang node dynamically started. We would like to monitor all nodes on one screen and detect failures so that corrective action can be taken.
Is there an utility that can let us do this?
Thanks,
Yash
I think for almost every erlang distributed application, there is similiar nodes managments requirements. For pman and appmon webtools, I think they are too basic and not enough.
I have read rabbitmq source code, there is a website for management and it seems suitable for your requirement.
In addition, I start to read riak source code now, the nodes management codes seems better than rabbitmq. It is also suitable for your requirement.
I think you could read both of them, and modify based on them and create a new one for your application.
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I would like to do some cloud processing on a very small cluster of machines (<5).
This processing should be based on 'jobs', where jobs are parameterized scripts that run in a certain docker environment.
As an example for what a job could be:
Run in docker image "my_machine_learning_docker"
Download some machine learning dataset from an internal server
Train some neural network on the dataset
Produce a result and upload it to a server again.
My use cases are not limited to machine learning however.
A job could also be:
Run in docker image "my_image_processing_docker"
Download a certain amount of images from some folder on a machine.
Run some image optimization algorithm on each of the images.
Upload the processed images to another server.
Now what I am looking for is some framework/tool, that keeps track of the compute servers, that receives my jobs and dispatches them to an available server. Advanced priorization, load management or something is not really required.
It should be possible to query the status of jobs and of the servers via an API (I want to do this from NodeJS).
Potentially, I could imagine this framework/tool to dynamically spin up these compute servers in in AWS, Azure or something. That would not be a hard requirement though.
I would also like to host this solution myself. So I am not looking for a commercial solution for this.
Now I have done some research, and what I am trying to do has similarities with many, many existing projects, but I have not "quite" found what I am looking for.
Similar things I have found were (selection):
CI/CD solutions such as Jenkins/Gitlab CI. Very similar, but it seems to be tailored very much towards the CI/CD case, and I am not sure whether it is such a good idea to abuse a CI/CD solution for what I am trying to do.
Kubernetes: Appears to be able to do this somehow, but is said to be very complex. It also looks like overkill for what I am trying to do.
Nomad: Appears to be the best fit so far, but it has some proprietary vibes that I am not very much a fan of. Also it still feels a bit complex...
In general, there are many many different projects and frameworks, and it is difficult to find out what the simplest solution is for what I am trying to do.
Can anyone suggest anything or point me in a direction?
Thank you
I would use Jenkins for this use case even if it appears to you as a “simple” one. You can start with the simplest pipeline which can also deal with increasing complexity of your job. Jenkins has API, lots of plugins, it can be run as container for a spin up in a cloud environment.
Its possible you're looking for something like AWS Batch flows: https://aws.amazon.com/batch/ or google datalflow https://cloud.google.com/dataflow. Out of the box they do scaling, distribution monitoring etc.
But if you want to roll your own ....
Option A: Queues
For your job distribution you are really just looking for a simple message queue that all of the workers listen on. In most messaging platforms, a Queue supports deliver once semantics. For example
Active MQ: https://activemq.apache.org/how-does-a-queue-compare-to-a-topic
NATS: https://docs.nats.io/using-nats/developer/receiving/queues
Using queues for load distribution is a common pattern.
A queue based solution can use both with manual or atuomated load balancing as the more workers you spin up, the more instances of your workers you have consuming off the queue. The same messaging solution can be used to gather the results if you need to, using message reply semantics or a dedicated reply channel. You could use the resut channel to post progress reports back and then your main application would know the status of each worker. Alternatively they could drop status in database. It probably depends on your preference for collecting results and how large the result sets would be. If large enough, you might even just drop results in an S3 bucket or some kind of filesystem.
You could use something quote simple to mange the workers - Jenkins was already suggested is in defintely a solution I have seen used for running multiple instances accross many servers as you just need to install the jenkins agent on each of the workers. This can work quote easily if you own or manage the physical servers its running on. You could use TeamCity as well.
If you want something cloud hosted, it may depend on the technology you use. Kubernetties is probably overkill here, but certiabnly could be used to spin up N nodes and increase/decrease those number of workers. To auto scale you could publish out a single metric - the queue depth - and trigger an increase in the number of workers based on how deep the queue is and a metric you work out based on cost of spinning up new nodes vs. the rate at which they are processed.
You could also look at some of the lightweight managed container solutions like fly.io or Heroku which are both much easier to setup than K8s and would let you scale up easily.
Option 2: Web workers
Can you design your solution so that it can be run as a cloud function/web worker?
If so you could set them up so that scaling is fully automated. You would hit the cloud function end point to request each job. The hosting engine would take care of the distribution and scaling of the workers. The results would be passed back in the body of the HTTP response ... a json blob.
Your workload may be too large for these solutions, but if its actually fairly light weight quick it could be a simple option.
I don't think these solutions would let you query the status of tasks easily.
If this option seems appealing there are quite a few choices:
https://workers.cloudflare.com/
https://cloud.google.com/functions
https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/
Option 3: Google Cloud Tasks
This is a bit of a hybrid option. Essentially GCP has a queue distribution workflow where the end point is a cloud function or some other supported worker, including cloud run which uses docker images. I've not actually used it myself but maybe it fits the bill.
https://cloud.google.com/tasks
When I look at a problem like this, I think through the entirity of the data paths. The map between source image and target image and any metadata or status information that needs to be collected. Additionally, failure conditions need to be handled, especially if a production service is going to be built.
I prefer running Python, Pyspark with Pandas UDFs to perform the orchestration and image processing.
S3FS lets me access s3. If using Azure or Google, Databricks' DBFS lets me seamlessly read and write to cloud storage without 2 extra copy file steps.
Pyspark's binaryFile data source lets me list all of the input files to be processed. Spark lets me run this in batch or an incremental/streaming configuration. This design optimizes for end to end data flow and data reliability.
For a cluster manager I use Databricks, which lets me easily provision an auto-scaling cluster. The Databricks cluster manager lets users deploy docker containers or use cluster libraries or notebook scoped libraries.
The example below assumes the image is > 32MB and processes it out of band. If the image is in the KB range then dropping the content is not necessary and in-line processing can be faster (and simpler).
Pseudo code:
df = (spark.read
.format("binaryFile")
.option("pathGlobFilter", "*.png")
.load("/path/to/data")
.drop("content")
)
from typing import Iterator
def do_image_xform(path:str):
# Do image transformation, read from dbfs path, write to dbfs path
...
# return xform status
return "success"
#pandas_udf("string")
def do_image_xform_udf(iterator: Iterator[pd.Series]) -> Iterator[pd.Series]:
for path in iterator:
yield do_image_xform(path)
df_status = df.withColumn('status',do_image_xform_udf(col(path)))
df_status.saveAsTable("status_table") # triggers execution, saves status.
I have a web service written in Cowboy and I am planning to use RabbitMQ as the DB layer. So my Cowboy service will be one of the producer which writes to the queue and the consumer writes to the database. There are couple more asynchronous tasks that will come from another service (not Cowboy).
Now the question is where these consumers should go. Should these be part of single erlang app or should I create separate Erlang app for all the consumers.
Any advice would be highly appreciated.
Since Erlang is not the exclusive producer, and since one can usually imagine consumers running without knowledge of the producers, having separate applications is not a bad idea at all. You can have multiple top-level applications in a single Erlang release (that's what the dependencies are, really), so you can always put all the code in the same repository (I usually have a top level apps/ directory for these), and if needed later on split them out to separate repos.
Having them as separate applications certainly makes deciding later on to distribute the application across multiple erlang nodes easier: just start the relevant producer applications s on some nodes, and the consumer application on others.
So while either way will probably work, separate apps is probably a cleaner design and keeps the door open for future expansion in a slightly nicer way.
I have been learning Erlang intensively, and after finishing 'Programming Erlang' from Joe Armstrong, there is one thing that I keep coming back to.
In my mind a Supervisor spawns One process per child handler. So each declared gen_server type handler will run as a separate process.
What happens if you are building a tiny web server and you want each requests to be its own process. Do you still conform to OTP principles and use a gen_server somehow (how ?), or do you create your own behaviour?
How does Cowboy handle this for eg. ? Does it still use gen_server ?
tl;dr: I find that trying to figure out the "correct" supervision structure a the beginning of a project is a form of premature optimization.
The "right" way to design your supervision tree depends on what the worker parts of your application are doing. In the case of a web server I would probably first explore something along the lines of:
top supervisor (singular)
data service supervisor (one per service type)
worker pool (all workers under the service sup)
client connection supervisor (one)
connection worker pool (or one per connection, have to play with it to decide)
logical supervisor (as appropriate -- massive variance here, depending on problem domain)
workers or supervisors (as appropriate -- have to explore/know the problem domain to have any idea how this should be structured)
So that's several workers per supervisor type at the lower level. I haven't used Cowboy so I don't know how it is organized. The point I'm trying to make is that while the mechanics of handling data services serving web pages are relatively trivial, the part of the system that actually does the core problem-solving work might not be and this is going to dictate everything interesting about the system.
It is a bad thing to have your problem-solving bits mixed in the same module as your web-displaying or connection handling bits. Ideally you should be able to use the same logic units in a native application, a web application and a networked service without any changes.
Ultimately the answer to whether you should have 1:1 supervisors to workers or 1:n depends on what you're doing and what restart strategy gives you the best balance among recovery to a known consistent state, latency felt by the user, and resource usage.
One of my favorite things about Erlang is that I can start with a naive supervisor structure like the one above, play with it until I see where its not so good, and rather easily switch things around and experiment with alternatives without fundamentally altering my system much. (The same goes for playing with alternative data representations if you write proper abstractions around them.) So first, get something that works in testing. Then load it up and see if you can break it. Then start worrying about the details, after you understand where the problems actually are.
It is a common pattern to spawn one server per client in erlang, You will then use a supervisor using the simple_one_to_one strategy for the children servers. This allows to ask the server to start a server on_demand. Generally this is used when you don't know how many processes you will need, and when the processes are independent (a crash of one process should not impacts the other).
There is a very good information in the site learningyousomeerlang.com (LYSE supervisor chapter). the whole site is worth to read.
I have been researching Mobile Agents, and was wondering if it is possible to send a running process to another node in erlang. I know it is possible to send a process on another node a message. I know it is possible to load a module on all nodes in a cluster. Is it possible to move a process that might be in some state on a particular node to another node and resume it's state. That is, does erlang provide strong mobility? Or is it possible to provide strong mobility in erlang?
Yes, it is possible, but there is no "Move process to node" call. However, if the process is built with a feature for migration, you can certainly do it by sending the function of the process and its state to another node and arrange for a spawn there. To get the identity of the process right, you will need to use either the global process registry or gproc, as the process will change pid.
There are other considerations as well: The process might be using an ETS table whose data are not present on the other node, or it may have stored stuff in the process dictionary (state from the random module comes to mind).
The general consensus in Erlang is that processes are not mobilized to move between machines. Rather, one either arranges for a takeover of applications between nodes should a node die. Or for distribution of the system so data are already distributed to another machine. In any case, the main problem of making state persistent in the event of errors still hold, mobility or not - and distribution is a nice tool to solve the persistence problem.
I wish to know is there any way that I can create the threads on other nodes without starting the process on the nodes.
For example :- lets say I have cluster of 5 nodes I am running an application on node1. Which creates 5 threads on I want the threads not to be created in the same system but across the cluster lets say 1 node 1 thread type.
Is there any way this can be done or is it more depends on the Load Scheduler and does openMP do something like that?
if there is any ambiguity in the question plz let me know I will clarify it.
Short answer - not simply. Threads share a processes' address space, and so therefore it is extremely difficult to relocate them across cluster nodes. And, if it is possible (systems do exist which support this) then getting them to maintain a consistent state introduces a lot of synchronization and communication overhead which impacts on performance.
In short, if you're distributing an application across a cluster, stick with multiple processes and choose a suitable communication mechanism.
generally, leave threads to vm or engine to avoid very inert locks, focus app or transport, if one, create time (200 hz=5ms heuristic), if 2, repaint, good pattern: eventdrive