DDD/SoC w/Ninject Design Question? - asp.net-mvc

So I have been really struggling to grasp the concept, but I am making progress :)
Anyway I have a question, using the Service/Repository/UnitOfWork/EF 4 w/POCOS approach.
My MVC app can reference my Repository layer, that References System.Data.Entity, to setup the bindings in Ninject to the concrete classes that live there, and as long as I use Interface driven design, that does not tie my MVC app to EF. Correct?
Just by referencing an assembly that references System.Data.Entity, you are not tying your MVC application to EF?
If I am wrong, can someone please tell me how to bind the interfaces to the concrete classes of the repository and unitfowork in the Ninject Module in the MVC app.
Make any sense?

Just by referencing an assembly that references System.Data.Entity, you are not tying your MVC application to EF?
Yes, you are tying it but that shouldn't bother you. The MVC application is the Host application, it is where all layers and assemblies need to be aggregated into a final product that is deployed on a web server and just works. Jeffrey Palermo has a nice blog post about onion architecture you might take a look at. In this pattern outer layers of the onion know about the inner layers but not the opposite (inner layers shouldn't know about the outer layers). The ASP.NET MVC application is the outermost layer. Then you could simply change the outer layer with some other Host application (for example WPF) and reuse the inner layers.

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Where to put "domain services" in your domain model project

I've been working with S#arp Architecture but this can probably be applied to any DDD architecture (Domain / Core, Application Services, Infrastructure, and Presentation).
There are many ASP.NET MVC examples that show the controller operating on the domain model through repository interfaces. In fact, the S#arp Architecture tutorial has the StaffMembersController referencing IStaffMemberRepository where it calls FindAllMatching (implemented in the repository). The StaffMember entity, also in the domain/core layer, looks like a data bag with properties and minimal validation on the properties.
Let's say you have a controller that is getting bloated with things that look like business concerns. After reading Microsoft's "Designing Business Entities" chapter in Microsoft's Application Architecture Guide, I believe these concerns could be called "Domain Services".
I want to put these domain services in the domain/core layer but I'm not sure where they should go. Should I create a services folder in the domain/core project that hosts interfaces with an implementations folder underneath it? That seems like a good approach, but I want to see how others have handled this.
Thanks!
What you're calling Domain Services in your question are what I would call Application Services. This kind of confusion over the three different types of service (application, domain and infrastructure) is what lead to the term "Tasks" being used in Who Can Help Me? (instead of application services).
Broadly speaking, I see domain services as actions/behaviours within the domain that don't belong to any single entity - this is pretty much as described in the Evans DDD book. Application services are more of an orchestration layer/facade over the domain that allows an application to interact with the domain without needing to know the full detail about how it works.
So I believe you need an application services layer to remove the bloat from your controllers. This is the approach that's shown in WCHM and it's the one I now follow in my apps.
In terms of where they should live - I'd send to say you should have them in their own project. If you're being purist about it, the contracts should also live in their own assembly, which means that if you like, you can remove all knowledge of the domain from your controllers. However, the WCHM approach places the contracts in the Domain project, and allows the controllers to have knowledge of the entities. Some people complain about this but it's basically just a compromise.
Hope this helps
Jon
Personally, I'm not a fan of how S#arp Architecture (at least, in their demo projects) has the controllers talk directly to the repositories. My $0.02 is that the domain services should be the interface between controllers and repositories. The repositories exist strictly to abstract away the database (e.g., so that you can replace it with, say, LINQ to Objects during testing). The domain services implement your business logic. You want to be able to test those without connecting to a database, or having to mock out your entire session.
An example that I think gets this right is the MVC project developed in Mark Seeman's book, Dependency Injection in .NET.
We built a real world ecommorce platform based on Sharp Architecture and created a demo project that showcases the architecture we put in place. This added the ViewModels, Mappers & a Task layer which helps separate concerns. This is going to form the core architecture of Sharp Architecture v2.0
See http://whocanhelpme.codeplex.com/ for more details.

ASP.NET MVC Three Tier - what's everyone else doing?

When I start work on a new web application I tend to reach for the same tried & tested architecture of ASP.NET MVC, BLL (consisting of a set of services that contain all business logic) and a DAL (consisting of a set of repositories that facilitate the unit of work pattern over something like EF/*Linq to SQL*).
The controllers talk only to services, the services only to repositories and other services. At the service layer are where models are defined and these are used as input/output to/from the controllers.
My question is: what are others doing? I'm interested in knowing if people are doing anything different in the context of an ASP.NET MVC web application. For instance, there are concepts like CQRS and Domain Events. Is anyone using these to solve a problem with the method I've described above?
This question is mainly a source of attempting to discover what I don't know I don't know. I hope it's not too vague, but I think it's important to see what others are doing to evaluate your own methods.
We're basically doing what you're doing, except that we consider our repository interfaces to be services (they are defined in the business layer), and therefore our controllers often access them directly. An IoC container takes care of injecting the correct repository implementation via constructor injection. So the data layer depends on the business layer, and is in charge of implementing the repositories, while the business layer just assumes that all the repositories it has defined will be available at runtime.
We've further divided our product up into different modules of functionality. Some of the modules depend on one another (for example, everything depends on our core functionality, and most of the other modules depend on the web portal module), but keeping them in separate dlls helps us to avoid making these modules be too tightly coupled. The system can therefore only load the DLLs for the modules that a given client has paid for. We plan to use an event bus with events defined in the core module to allow the modules to communicate via a publish/subscribe model.
I am using CQRS with MVC. Its nice. You still use the MVC pattern, but in the controller I use the command pattern for the write, and just pure NHibernate Linq for the read... also some SolrNet for the read. :-)

Entity Framework 4 website architecture

Hi I've been given the task of creating an N-Teir website using the Entity Framework 4 and am coming up against some brick walls, more than likely in my knowledge.
My plan so far was to have these layers
Website (application layer),
What I'm calling Name.Framework (BLL),
Name.Data (DAL),
Name.Entities (contains POCO classes and other struct classes used in website/bll,
Name.Common (utility class)
I've tried to use the repository class, but am struggling to make things work how I thought they would. Below are a few examples of what I'm getting stuck on.
If I want to use .include() would this be in my Repository or is this the responsibilty of the business layer? (and I have no idea how this would work in the BLL)
Same question for .Order()? As I understood it this would need to be in repository or at least passed into the repo in some way?!?
Should I be using the BLL to pass in the Context to the repository/data layer? At the moment when I get an entity from the Data layer any navigation properties that weren't referenced in the repo just come back with 'Object Context Disposed', should the Business layer still hold the context etc so that this wouldn't happen?
Or to summarize this HELP!!!
I need to have this in some sort of order by tomorrow (eek!) as the project leader wants to know if we are going to continue with Entity Framework or move to NHibernate as in-house we have more knowledge of it.
Thanks for any help or suggestions
Matt
Looking for something similar myself I found this. Not looked into it too much at the moment but looks promising.
I'm currently working on a web hobby project with EF4 Code-Only, where I have the following structure ([name] being the name of my project):
[name].Web - An ASP.NET MVC 2 project
[name].Web.Models - Custom view models, along with AutoMapper mappings from my entity objects
[name].Models - My POCO classes, and interfaces for repositories
[name].DataAccess - Some interfaces related to data access, for example IUnitOfWork
[name].DataAccess.EF - All Entity Framework related classes and interfaces
I also have a test project for each of the above, plus a couple of projects with helpers and extensions for the tests.
It might be relevant to mention that part of the purpose of this hobby project is for me to learn how to use EF4 with some design patterns of my own choice (the ones that concern EF in this project are the Repository Pattern and the Unit of Work pattern). Another partial purpose is to build up a code base that I can re-use in later projects, and this has affected the division between projects in my application - for example, if I wasn't concerned with re-use, I'd probably have all data access related classes in one project instead of two.
I've implemented a basic EF, poco, Repository, UnitOfWork architecture largely following this article here:
http://devtalk.dk/CommentView,guid,b5d9cad2-e155-423b-b66f-7ec287c5cb06.aspx
I found it to be very helpful in these endeavors. Don't know if it helps you but others might be interested in the link.

ASP.NET MVC - Solution Layout Suggestions

I have been working with ASP.NET MVC for a couple of months now and I'm still not happy with the layout of my project's solution. I am trying to construct a mid-sized website CMS that is as portable and reusable as possible and there are some obvious problems in the design of it. I am looking for some advice regarding how I should structure my solution in consideration of separation of concerns. I've found a similar question here, but it doesn't really target some of the issues I am facing.
Right now this is how my solution is laid out:
+Project.Controllers - All Controller classes
P+roject.Controllers.Tests
+Project.Core - Utility classes including repetitive tasks and some configuration handlers (this project needs to be better fleshed out)
+Project.Core.Tests
+Project.Models - Model classes, Entity Framework context, and Repository classes
+Project.Models.Tests
+Project.Web - All Views and Content
One major thing I am currently missing is a place to stick my business logic and I feel I've been wrongly placing business logic in my repository classes as well as intermingling it in controller actions. Obviously, I'm very aware of this problem, I'm just not sure where I should placing my business logic in that solution layout. Does my solution structure need to change or can I safely keep that business logic in my Models project? Also, I really don't like that my EF Context is in the Models class, but I don't know of a way to isolate the data layer code from the Entity Classes needed in my model.
How is everyone else laying out their production ASP.NET MVC solutions?
You might want to check out the layout the S#arp architecture project uses or the onion architecture as used in the Code Camp Server MVC reference application. Both projects have had allot of effort put into them by different people to get a good sepperation of concerns in the context of asp.net MVC and domain driven design.
Personally I'm only learning MVC. My experience comes from ASP.NET WebForms but I would go with the layout proposed in the link you gave. The second answer, that is:
Models
Views
Controller
Services
Tests - one for each project.
I would take EF Context and Repositories out of Models and into a data access layer, Project.Data and put your business objects in Project.BusinessLogic (?).
This gives the benefit of putting the two assemblies (Project.Data and Project.BusinessLogic) in other apps you might build on the same domain. That means your next project has a very useful starting point.
Hope that helps,
Dan

How can I extend the Model in ASP.NET MVC and Entity Framework?

In my first ASP.NET MVC applications, the model was a simple O/R mapping between a table and the classes, managed by the Entity Framework.
Now I would like to add some meat to this skeleton, and introduce business methods for the generated classes. What is the recommended approch to this in ASP.NET MVC (with Entity Framework)? My favorite would be solution which also can be used in a service layer, with no ASP.NET MVC references, so that the same domain logic also could be reused in a desktop client.
Technically, I think it should be possible to extend the generated classes in a way which preserves the additional business logic even if the O/R classes need to be refreshed. (This is more a question related to the Entity Framework however.)
Edit: Many thanks for the contributions, and the information about the next version of Entity Framework (4.0). Building two sets of classes, one auto-generated to represent the data in the persistency layer and one for the actual business logic sounds interesting.
Within MVC.Net, the model is the least clearly defined part. In my opinion, it's basically the rest of your application (i.e. anything not related to the View or the Controller). The O/R Mapping part of your application should probably be outside of the "Model" also, as this is more of a data layer. The Model, should really deal in business objects and create views of your data to pass to the View.
There are lots of differing opinions on this, but I think it's best not to think of MVC.Net as traditional MVC Architecture.
If you are using EF v1.0 right now, the Entity Framework is very intrusive into your application, which means that you cannot create POCO very easily. The way you can extend your model is by using the partial class. So when you refresh your model, the partial class you did will still be valid. The Entity Framework team realizes this is a problem , and have improved this in next version (EF V4.0).
NHibernate is much more friendly and allow you easily extend your business logic.
I really think this blog post by Jeremy D. Miller is very good at pointing out the problem.
Abstract your Business Layer out into another project, then pass an instance of it onto your mvc controller using something like structure map. You can then call this Business Layer from your controller to retrieve your business entities (Model) and pass them on to the UI. This will allow you to resuse your Business Layer in your desktop application.
Not only meat but also some clothes and a style could be added to this project to make it seem chic. It depends on the time you have for the project. If you have time, I could suggest you to get a look to TDD and the frameworks that could be used with TDD such as Castle, NUnit, Moq etc.
As you mentioned a service layer is a must for any project but with these kinds of frameworks you could design your architecture more robust.

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