New version of CrossKylix as been updated two weeks ago.
Even Kylix has discontinued long time ago, but it's seems still used by some of Delphi developers.
Has any one used it successfully on cross-platform development for Windows and Linux?
As Mason said, we're using CrossKylix for the Linux version of Beyond Compare, but only for release builds, which are kicked off from FinalBuilder. For that usage, it's been great. We did try doing CLX development on Windows for a while, but CLX for Windows had different bugs than CLX for Linux, so it wasn't worth it long-term.
Our actual Linux development is still done using Kylix 3 running on SuSE 10 virtual machines. We use both GDB and the Kylix debugger for debugging, though the Kylix debugger doesn't work well for backgrounds threads anymore. We dropped CLX design-time support a long time ago though, so almost all of our feature development is done in Delphi 2007 and the VCL.
I am also actively using Simon's other project, CrossFPC, for our 64-bit Windows shell extension, and it's worked great.
I'm using CrossKylix for years, and it worked for me like a charm.
It's one of the reasons why I like to maintain Delphi 7 compatibility in our source code, because Kylix 3 is based on the same compiler as Delphi 7: only the back-end generates natively ELF files instead of EXE.
For server applications and command-line tools, even a small cgi program, CrossKylix is just great! You can develop and test with Delphi under Windows, then Cross-compile it, and run the executable under Linux with no problem.
I've used this for years on a french "dedibox" with runs under a Via C7 (now much faster Nano) CPU, and made AES and SHA encryption of the data in more than 1500 KB per second (yes KB per second, not bytes per second) thanks to the PadLock engine!
I discovered some problems about the Kylix RTL and WideString under modern linux: if your Linux is configurated with UTF-8 encoding (which is now the standard for most distributions), WideString usage failed. So I've corrected this in the Kylix system.pas: in fact, our Enhanced RTL is cross-platform, and works with Delphi 7 and CrossKylix.
See http://synopse.info/forum/viewtopic.php?id=66
In one of Jim McKeeth's early podcasts, he interviewed Craig Peterson of Scooter Software, one of the coders for BeyondCompare. He mentioned how they used CrossKylix for the Linux port of BeyondCompare.
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I have an ancient program that I use for reading and writing data from AutoCAD. This program is written in Delphi 5. I have tried to update it to a newer release but several of the libraries I use no longer exist and it is a huge program with lots of libraries used.
The program uses the ACAX##ENU.TLB type library that is provided with AutoCAD. Where ## changes for each AutoCAD release. Every time Autodesk sends out a new AutoCAD version I import the new type library and life goes on.
Now I am faced with Windows 10. For some reason the automation links between my program and AutoCAD are not working in Windows 10. Did something change about the way the type libraries work between Windows 7 and Windows 10? Something that Delphi 5 is no longer compatible with? Maybe it's a 16bit vs 32bit vs 64bit issue. That is all over my head but I understand that Windows 10 dropped support for some 16bit operations. But my program itself runs perfectly. Even the BDE can be made to work which is amazing to me.
Is there anything I can do for an experiment? I am really lost about what to even experiment on.
Thanks.
Well, it's been a long time since I asked this question but here is an answer:
I was able to get my Delphi 5 compiled program working with AutoCAD 2017 in a Windows 10 environment. I am pretty sure that the solution was to run the program WITHOUT administrative permissions and WITHOUT any compatibility modes switched on. Apparently Windows places restrictions on COM communications as soon as you turn on either of those features. There may have also been issues with Windows 10 still having UAC active even when you set UAC all the way off. There is a registry setting to actually set UAC to off but my corporate IT prevents turning that off even with admin rights.
So in the end it was not a problem with Delphi, my program or with AutoCAD. It was a Windows 10 problem.
There was a bit of a clue that might be helpful to others: with the admin permission and/or windows XP compatibility turned on the program took several extra seconds to boot. With the settings turned off it booted quickly.
Or maybe its something entirely different from any of this. But the program is working now.
Thanks.
I started occupational programming with Delphi when the Turbos came out , and have licenses for Delphi 2006 Turbo Pro and Delphi 2009 Professional. I have been asked to support another in-house tool, written by another occupational programmer, who has since retired.
It's a Windows program, but it was developed with Delphi 6 using the CLX library rather than the VCL.
From what I gather, the CLX library was QT based and was removed prior to Delphi 2006.The support only consists of a few bug fixes and some minor tweaks, so I would rather not port the code to VCL, if i can avoid it.
Is it possible to install CLX support into either Delphi 2006 or 2009?
Maybe not a direct answer but if you upgrade to Delphi XE, you will also get license keys for some of the older versions of Delphi down to 7, and Delphi 7 included CLX (it was dropped in Borland Delphi 2006).
The short answer is: no. Unfortunately I don't know any long answer which could tell you how to workaround this.
No, you can't add support for CLX to your other Delphi versions.
If it's in-house software, then your company should still have the in-house Delphi installation used to develop it. Multiple Delphi versions can co-exist on the same system; install earlier versions before installing later versions.
If the former employee took that installation with him when he left, can you get it back? I wouldn't expect it really belongs to him anyway. You said he retired; that wasn't a euphemism for died, was it? If not, then you can still contact him.
If there isn't an easy way (and I suspect that there is not), you may need to continue using D7. D2009 is going to introduce the hassle of Unicode, and even going to D2006 is going to cause problems with 3rd-party libraries.
You could run both versions of Delphi on the same machine, but another option would be to use a VM for the legacy development. Either set up a new instance, or you could use the VMWare Converter to convert the other developer's entire machine into a VM image, which you could run on your machine, via the free VMWare Player.
BTW, VMWare Converter is a GREAT way to preserve old environments, to allow maintenance on older software that really needs to use a particular Delphi version, on a particular OS, "just like I left it". If you have a bunch of dusty computers under your desk, consider this option. VMWare Converter is the only tool I know of that will easily convert a physical machine to a useable VM that will run anywhere.
From what I've read from the previous posts, Delphi 7 is stable and has the best help system but is slow, Delphi 2007 is fast but the help system is bad and the IDE is buggy. Delphi 2009 is stable and fast but the help system is bad too. The posts were made when 2010 isn't available yet. I am planning to upgrade from Delphi 7 to 2010. Is Delphi 2010 stable, fast and has a good help system?
Delphi 2010 is one of the best Delphi releases ever. It stabilizes some of the new features introduced in Delphi 2009. The IDE is fast, and in the project I used it was very stable.
The thing there is that the IDE and the help system are build as a RAD Studio for different languages. Especially the help system tries to be everything for everybody. Even having only one personality installed, it has many entires about other languages I do not care about (but I can filter them). Yet there are many entires missing depth that never made it into the new help format.
The help system starts painstakingly slow (especially at first startup). But, to be fair, this is partially do to the MS Help System being a pain in the neck (this, in my opinion, just was the wrong path to chose).
Embarcadero invests quite some effort into the help system, and it had several updates during the 2010 release.
You do know about the varying expense of conversion to Unicode as 2010 is fully Unicode based?
Here are some reasons why I stick to Delphi 7, having Delphi 2010 at hand to recompile and test what I wrote in Delphi 7, in a cross-version manner:
if your source code compiles on Delphi 7, and you make careful usage of Unicode/AnsiString, it will work as well with Delphi 2010;
if your source code compiles on Delphi 7, it will work as well with Free Pascal, so
cross-platform and 64 bits are open to you;
if your source code compiles on Delphi 7, it can be cross-compiled with CrossKylix directly from the Delphi 7 IDE - see Has any one used CrossKylix for real Cross-platform development?
Delphi 7 runs well on my Windows Seven 64 bits system, if you install it not in "C:\Program Files" but in "C:\Progs" for example;
Delphi 7 starts faster than Delphi 2007, and MUCH faster than Delphi 2009/2010 - see http://andy.jgknet.de/dspeedup
generated code is almost the same since Delphi 7 - when I need speed, I use better algorithms, and assembler if it's worth it;
Delphi 7 IDE is as powerful as Delphi 2010 IDE, if you use some IDE enhancements like http://www.cnpack.org;
Delphi 7 help is still the reference - why waiting for 20 seconds on my Core i7 processor waiting for the awful MS help system to launch? and if you want to create an application able to run under XP, its content will be enough for you; if you want to know about newer OS, just use msdn web site directly, or via google: it sounded to me easier than the help integrated with Delphi 2005/2010;
I use the assembler/CPU view a lot: all Delphi IDE have the Alt-F2, but you can close this window by the escape key on Delphi 7 - I was not able to find such a keyboard shortcut under Delphi 2007/2010, and it's very annoying;
Delphi 7 executable size are small, and even smaller with our LVCL libraries (30 KB for a form with buttons);
I didn't have the need for generics and such up to now - I like knowing which code is generated;
Delphi 7 is Unicode ready, whatever you say - its associated VCL was not, but CharSets are not evil, and work well - what I do is develop under Delphi 7, then compile with Delphi 2010 and get all the Unicode benefits if needed;
I use a large screen (at 1920x1280 resolution), and Delphi 7 makes it easy to have multiple edit windows at once - newer IDE locked layout was not a good idea... at such that EMB officially added the "Delphi 7 way undocked IDE" feature to Delphi 2010: and marketing sell it as a new feature;
and so on, and so on...
You can use Delphi 7 help in Delphi 2010, if you want to.
Use this or this addon. See item 5 here for instructions (sorry, it's machine auto-tranlation).
P.S. You can have more than one help installed. Say, a F1 for Delphi 7 help and Ctrl+F1 for Delphi 2010 help.
delphi 2010 is stable and fast and is actually a good delphi compiler after years of half-baked releases, they have improved help system in delphi 2010 but i still think delphi 7 help system is superior(but thats just my opinion).you do know delphi 2010 has a 1 month trial do you? download it and play around and see if you like it
EDIT: forgot to mention if you buy delphi 2010 you'll get marco cantu's Delphi 2010 Handbook for free ,the book covers whats new in D2010 so if you consider book as part of help system than help system is OK :)
Delphi7 was faster, but it was a lot simpler. I wouldn't worry too much about performance of the IDE, especially if you're working on a modern PC. At work I've got an old P4 machine, and it runs just fine.
New language features like methods on records and generics make it well worth it to switch.
For me it's hard to live without TList<T> nowadays.
For a while I've desperately tried to keep code Delphi7-compatible, but I've ported most of the important applications to D2010 already, and whenever I need to start D7, it all feels so low-tech and simple.
I've always hated the crappy component palette in the older Delphi's. Delphi 2010 has a much better interface, and the filter function is a real time-saver.
I've decided to give up on Delphi7 and just make full use of D2010's capabilities. That makes life a lot easier.
Over the past 15 years or so I've written all the software that runs my medical practice in Delphi 5.
Last week my disk became unbootable/unrecoverable. I have my original D5p disk and all the components backed up but I want to migrate to Windows7. I don't care if my delphi apps look like vista/7; I just want to be able to install it and code on the machine again for maintenance purposes.
are there any tricks to install D5 so it works in W7?
is using a virtual machine really the only/best way? if so, which is suggested?
Thanks in advance.
Larry
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I don't know if this helps, but I run Delphi 7 on 64 bit Windows 7 with no problem.
There are some special steps to installing it, but after that, it works fine.
Check out this site for the details: http://www.drbob42.com/examines/examin84.htm
Although I use VMs for other things, running Delphi inside a VM IMO is a nuisance. So it'll be worth your trying the above. On the other hand, I know developers who swear by VMs for this since they can get such great backup snapshots, as noted by others.
I'm not an expert in the Delphi field any more, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to get D5 running on Windows 7 smoothly. Even if you get it running as such, it's going to give you trouble in the details.
But Windows 7's built-in XP virtual machine is a joy to use, and integrates seamlessly (i.e. you can even have Delphi and your old apps in Windows 7's start menu). I'd say the virtual machine is really the way to go. It's called Windows XP mode and can be downloaded here at no extra cost. You just need Windows 7 professional or better, it won't work on a Home edition.
We do commercial software development using Delphi 2009 in a Windows XP Virtual PC, hosted on Windows 7. Until last year, we were using Delphi 7 on an XP virtual machine on Vista. Both are excellent development platforms.
As far as I can see, there are no downsides to this setup. Under Windows 7, the Virtual XP machine integrates right into the desktop using XP mode. Backups are easy, since the VHD file (Virtual Hard Disk) is typically less than 16 GB. There have been absolutely no issues with stability. And although performance within the virtual machine is somewhat slower than on a native machine, the speed difference is not significant.
My opinion is that this is the best solution, and we have been using it successfully for years. If you have any questions about it, just let me know.
I got tired of having to reinstall all my Delphi components whenever I had to setup my machine from scratch/install a new operating system/move to a new laptop, so when I installed Windows Server 2008 (32-bit), I installed Delphi 5 in a virtual machine.
Because of that, when I recently moved to Windows 7, 64-bit, I could use the same virtual machine, no new setup required!
Granted, it is a bit slower, but, hey, this was meant to run on computers a lot slower than they are today.
It's a win/win all the way...
Two people at work are now running Delphi 5 on Windows 7 64-bit.
There is a problem with some Jedi files, that rely on a particular define (WINDOWS i think), that isn't true in 64-bit environment. In the end the Jedi files are not useing Windows.pas. Code then fails to compile when it can't find declarations such as DWORD.
Also, there is a bug in Delphi 5 compiled code, that is only exposed on 64-bit versions of Windows. If you have Overflow Checking turned on, and anything calls SendMessage, the compiled Delphi code is checking that the BOOL value is not greater than $FFFF.
This is wrong, since BOOL is declared by Win32, Microsoft, and Delphi 5, to be a 32-bit boolean value; in x64 it returns $FFFFFFFF as the non-zero value. It works on 32-bit Windows because Microsoft has to maintain compatibility with 16-bit applications; where BOOL was only 16-bits, returning $0000FFFF. 64-bit versions of Windows are unable to run 16-bit applications (this is because a 64-bit CPU running in 64-bit mode does not support running 16-bit instructions)
In other words: turn off Overflow Checks
If you have the option of restoring the original system to a working state, I recommend doing that, and the use the "VMWare vCenter Converter Standalone Client" to make a VM of your current system. Then install VMWare on the new PC when it gets here. Now you can simply bring that up under your new PC, and you've got your trusty old PC ready to roll, any time you need it.
You can do it. More over you can even deploy lower versions too.
I am running Delphi 4 on windows7 32 bit, now I tried to deploy to win 7 b4 bit.
So far the compile, building works, I can run my app outside ide.
Inside ide, I could not register correctly bordbk40.dllm this is why app is not starting from ide.
Database Desktop is also not working, saying unkown compatibility issues.
I searched around but I couldn't find a straight answer to these questions, only bits and pieces: if I install windows seven x64,
1 - will I be able to use delphi 2007+ as I'm used to aka start it, code in it, debug in it, compile in it ? I've seen the debugger issue and the hex edit workaround.
2 - will my application compiled in that environnement work on 32 bit versions of windows ?
3 - will my application I compiled with delphi on 32 bit windows work this 64 bit version ?
(of course all this is assuming "normal" applications as-in I don't expect things to work if I'm playing with pointers expecting them to be 32 bits long, obviously)
The overall question of this would be, as someone who is moving to windows seven 64 bits, will I be able to/should I use this as my main delphi developpement platform or will i be better off keeping a 32 bit boot for delphi dev ?
Thanks to anyone who can give me a clue about this
As Mason Wheeler stated, there's a problem with the 2007/2009 debugger and 64-bit platforms but it can easily be fixed.
I'm using D2007 (with this fix) on Windows 7 64-bit on a daily basis and it works just great.
There is now a hotfix for this.
No idea about Windows 7 64 bit version, but I have been using Delphi 4, 5, 2007 and 2009 for nearly a year now on Windows XP 64 bit, and given the effort Microsoft spends on backwards compatibility I don't see why things should be very different on Windows 7. This answers your last question - no need to keep a separate partition. Use virtualization for running things on a 32 bit system. Windows 7 does AFAIK offer you a virtualized Windows XP subsystem - at no cost, but you may need to download it separately.
Re 2. and 3.: The OS an application is compiled on does not matter for the deployment, as long as the compilation itself works. I have only ever been compiling 16 bit Delphi programs on 32 bit Windows versions, without problems. You should however always test on clean installations of your target OS versions, as a developer PC is sufficiently different from a user PC to not assume that everything will just work. This however is general advise, and has nothing to do with a 64 bit OS.
Your Delphi programs will run on a 32 bit layer (WOW64 - Windows on Windows 64) of Windows 64 bit which is close enough to the real 32 bit OS that you do not need to care about it, unless you work very closely with the lower system level.
I was doing some work on Delphi 2007 under Windows 7 64-bit yesterday, and it was a disaster. Every time I'd leave the program while debugging, either by quitting out normally or by stopping the debugger, it would raise an assertion failure that I couldn't get out of, bringing down the entire IDE. (This never happened under XP.) Apparently the WOW64 emulator isn't quite as stable as it ought to be... :(
If you're going to try to work on Windows 7 64-bit, I'd strongly recommend upgrading to Delphi 2010, which was built specifically with Windows 7 compliance in mind. If that's not an option, then at least install a VM with XP on it for your dev work.
Answers are:
1. Yes - With the workaround for the debugger issue
2. Yes - Delphi 2007 (native) will only build 32 bit applications
3. Yes - Unless it's a Device Driver or low-level service
First apply the patch as mentioned on Olaf's Blog. This fixes the debugger exit error.
Second, Install Windows XP Mode, which is a fully clean (and legal) windows XP 32bit virtual machine.
Compile application on Windows 7 64bit. Install onto the virtual machine. It should just work. Rinse, lather and repeat for other applications you are developing.
XP Mode is available to all owners of Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate editions. Don't know about corporate editions.
This is what I'm currently using for development as I had to perform an emergency OSectomy of a Macbook Pro
I run Delphi 2007 on Windows 7 Professional 64 bit and it was fine for a bit until a patch Tuesday a while ago. The IDE would die after throwing the debug error (SetThreadContext failed). I applied the patch found at http://cc.embarcadero.com/item/27521 and no more problems.
HTH. YMMV.
Doug
FYI, I am running Delphi 7 on Win7 64-bit. The trick to run this version is to NOT install to the Program Files(x86) folder - instead, install to something like C:\Delphi7. Been working with it this way for about a month now with a pretty heavy development load and it works great!