We know from Credit card expiration dates - Inclusive or exclusive? that credit card expires on the last day. However, in which time zone?
In short, even if the current time of the transaction seems suspect, you can just run the card transaction. Let the payment network decide how it wishes to handle the case. This is as stated by Stephen Newell, here, though it isn't necessarily correct to say 'Transaction Server'.
Here's an in-depth on why, and why it is ok to let the network make the decision for you. For merchants (but not cardholders) in countries outside of the U.S. or Canada, some of the following information may not apply.
Expiration Dates and other credentials are subject to the first party in the processing chain to make a decision to reject them. When a credit card transaction is issued, it travels through the following list of parties and then back up to the consumer. If the expiration date makes it all the way down the chain to the last possible point of rejection, then the final decision is up to the issuing bank of the card. But, there are plenty of parties that may decide to reject a transaction, whether or not it is right to do so. Payment gateways or relays, where they exist, often try to preempt interchange decisions on their own.
Card Terminal / Point-of-Sale / Payment Application / Payment Website
Issues Transaction.
One or more Payment Gateway / Payment Relays (where applicable)
Intercepts, Relays/Forwards, or Reroutes a Transaction.
Processors / Settlement Clearinghouses
Filters Transactions, Aggregates Money for the Merchant.
Interchange Network
Routes Authorizations to Issuing Banks, or may Authorize for a Group of Banks
Issuing bank (Visa/MC) / American Express / Discover
Issuer and Primary Authority of Card Credentials
It is worth noting that the major processors in the chain that precede the banks are all based in the United States, in the EST/EDT and CST/CDT time zones. This makes for three possible termination timezones. Any given U.S. timezone is possible, but only a handful of merchants go straight to interchange (Walmart, for example). Everyone else must go through a processor.
Parties in groups #1, #2, #4, #5 are going to be in any timezone you can imagine. For #3, there are two major Processors in the United States that handle settlement. They are First Data (FDR), and Global Payments (GPN). Both are based in the EST/EDT timezone, but most of FDR's gateways are in the CST/CDT timezone.
In order of earliest possible expiration, this gives us the following:
Midnight (12:00am), the first of the next month following the month and year of expiry, in GMT time.
Midnight (12:00am), the first of the next month following the month and year of expiry, in EST or EDT time.
Midnight (12:00am), the first of the next month following the month and year of expiry, in CST or CDT time.
In order of likely cutoff times, #2 and #3 are about equally likely. #1 is far less likely, as this can cause major confusion for merchants in time zones that lag behind the GMT timezone. The difference in CST/EST time is only one hour. If you want to play it safe, you should have few problems going by EST time.
As mentioned by Tony Brandner, there is also the possibility of a delayed capture of the results of a credit card transaction. By interchange rules, this can add up to 30 days for a transaction to be committed for off-line batches for non-airline merchants (Airlines and a few other businesses have really complex rules here). After 30 days, the authorization allowing a transaction will expire. But, this still requires a Merchant to start the transaction prior to card expiry.
Finally, I would find it highly suspect to accept a transaction, especially in a face-to-face customer situation, where a customer has a card labeled within a few hours of expiration. The typical lead-in time for new cards is 1 month, and most issuers try to get a new card to their clients in 2-3 months ahead of expiry. There's little excuse for a client to avoid using a new card, short of some rather unusual circumstances. Plus, you can always ask if the customer has a different card available.
Edit:
Nobody caught me on this, but I should add that the Processors should be considered the major cutoff for a number of reasons. Here are a few of interest.
It is often opaque to almost all parties leading up to the processors, whether a decision issued from a Processor came from someone further in the chain, or the processor itself. Thus the working assumption by people in the payment industry is that the Processor is the authority.
Processors have a vested interest in averting fraud, and they will flag suspect transactions and merchants if they find any. They have the power to freeze Merchant Accounts, freeze transactions, and much more. Resolving adverse reactions as a result of running a suspect transaction will almost always require consultation with the processor, since they are the gatekeepers of money transfer. They are not interested in pushing money around if it may cost them business.
Came across this after doing some testing against the stripe api. It's 4:30 Pacific on Nov 30 and a 11/2015 test failed. 12/2015 worked and Stripe's API is using UTC so it explained the failure. Just in case anyone is wondering. Oh, and changing the timezone in the stripe dashboard doesn't help.
Most forums seem to indicate that you should look at the timezone of the processor. However, since it can take time to process stuff (especially if you're using delayed capture), and most people get replacement cards months in advance, I'm thinking you would want to err on the side of giving yourself a buffer.
If the card expired 'Nov 2009', that translates to the end of Nov 30th, 2009. If you rejected this card starting the very end of Nov 29th, 2009, that would ensure that you're never accepting a card that has expired, regardless of timezone. Would the potential impact to customers be big?
My guess would be wherever the server processing the transaction is located.
Some other merchants, to complete the picture of when they cut off use of card close to expiry:
Amazon - Despite their useless overseas chat support, there is no checking with the bank, but a Javascript lockoff of proceeding with purchase with a tooltip about expiry. Sometime after EST. Checked 30mins before PST.
Paypal - Javascript message about updating expiry date, not locking off Pay button, but not letting that do anything once clicked. Sometime after EST. Checked 30mins before PST.
Walmart - POST of page (seemingly asynchronously), which then amends message about updating expiry date, preventing subsequent clicking of pay button. Not enough time to check with bank, which is in comparison to time used when the payment goes through. Sometime after EST. Checked 30mins before PST.
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I am developing an application for a customer where I would need to get live rates for EUR/USD, XAU/USD, etc.
After a quick google search, I concluded that I won't be able to get what I am looking for. The few clean JSON data solutions are updated once per hour and allow like 100.000 requests per month ( much less than the ~ 2.6M seconds a month has ).
Surprisingly for me even these "poor" service costs several hundred bucks per month.
I am not opening this just for weeping, but to know if somebody could help me in exporting data from MetaTrader Terminal to XML, or any other source, any broker gives that info updated every second on demo accounts without delays.
With that I would be able to create my own API and use that data on my application. If that works correctly, I am willing to create an endpoint, open for anyone, it's a shame that in 2017 there are no free live feeds for at least the main markets. I am sure it would help many developers.
FOREX? Each data-feed is Broker / LP-provider specific ( i.e. different )
There is no "globally universal" XAUUSD stream, there are many streams, valid for respective Broker / LP-provider Terms & Conditions.
While technically doable ( republishing of the received stream of events ), some T&C will have explicitly legally bind you not to re-distribute the data from any feed you receive from the FOREX Trade Execution venue.
Why so expensive?
A principal business understanding is needed here. If one produces some service ( a Market Data Feed in this case ), such undertaking is to be justified by some type of exchange of values, if one is willing to receive someone else's product.
Except for some extremely altruistic exceptions ( which are typically very well funded indirectly, from some other business-domain, thus not requiring the Product/Service Consumers to share and pay the fair portion of the accumulated costs of that Product / Service creation + operations + maintenance ) and except for some ultra-idealistic illusions ( that did not happen to proof their ability to survive on their own, in the real world ),
there is no such thing as a free dinner ( as Britons are cited to say ).
So, given some Product / Service represents any non-zero value, there is fair to pay some price to exchange ones funds for such Product / Service, that allows the Consumer to benefit from the value received in exchange for her/his funds.
Meaning, if such a Product / Service is not considered absolutely useless ( as a synthetic RNG or demo account just mimicking Real Market Data Feed might appear to have in the real world's FOREX Market Data Feed context ), then there is a price to pay for it.
Surprised? Why?
If one pays nothing, why is one expecting to receive anything more than a symmetrically equivalent value of that zero paid equivalent ( a value of zero, or less, if costs are taken in account )?
Trying to exchange for zero typically brings nothing useful or reliable - by principle.
The world just works this way. There is no exception, no excuse. Even the "Non-profit" NPOs know very well, the real world works this way and share the price to pay in exchange for buying the externally provided goods and services they consume inside their NPO programmes.
You can open a demo/real ( does not matter ) account at any MT4 broker and consume quotes very natively using MetaQuotes datafeed.
Do have a look for an example, published at: https://github.com/CPlugin/CPlugin.PlatformWrapper.MetaTrader4DataFeed
I am using rtfxd.com to get high quality forex data at 1 sec frequency. They cover over 40 currency pairs and the price is currently peanuts. You can purchase a login (currently only $3) and connect via ssh and start receiving data instantly.
Say, I use stripe subscriptions for my users with one plan which is $10 per month for 100 API requests and that's the standard price. However, if the user has used 150 API requests, I charge them $3 more on top on $10. For 200 and more requests it's total of $17.
Say, I've subscribed the user on October 9th. On November 9th they will be charged again by Stripe. When should I "freeze" the amount of the APIs the user has used during the month to calculate the overall price and start counting from zero again for the new period of November 9th - December 9th?
As far as I'm concerned, it's either on payment.success or invoice.success event in my stripe web hook controller. However, I think it's not reliable because:
Which one is it exactly - payment.success or invoice.success - the one I need? They occur both, as far as I know sometimes payment.success occurs first, sometimes - invoice.success and it's unknown which one occurs first in each particular case.
Theres's the time period between these 2 events, I don't know how long exactly, probably a few minutes. But during those few minutes the user might consume at least one Invoice
I'm not sure if it's guaranteed that for each user the events payment.success and invoice.success occur only once per month. Do they really? If not it's even less reliable to use them to achieve my goal.
invoice.created event occurs 1 hour before the Invoice is closed.
Um. Why wouldn't it be the moment your user clicked 'BUY'? The fact it took an hour/day for payment to be received isn't relevant is it? Think about iOS apps. I can buy the app right now, but most of the time I don't get an invoice from Apple for several days (even a week sometimes).
I think you're going to be frustrated trying to time it to events from your payment provider. IMHO that should be done within your app.
I'm looking for guidance on how to architect an elegant solution to what has become a bit of a thorny problem. Although I am using Ruby (and Rails) I think my problem is largely an architectural one, though my choice of language obviously has an impact in terms of suggestions involving libraries, etc., so the language remains relevant.
Anyway, in a nutshell: my application contains objects representing memberships, belonging to people who are members of fitness facilities. Memberships contain a series of recurring payments. Some memberships automatically renew at the end of their term, while others do not.
So for example, you may have a membership that is for an initial period of one year, and then renews month-to-month after that. In the application, creating a membership of this kind causes 12 recurring payments to be created. When the last month expires, so does the membership. A daily cron task is responsible for causing memberships to expire based on completed payments. If the membership is set to automatically renew, the same cron task will renew the membership.
You may also have memberships that have no initial term and simply run month-to-month or week-to-week. These work in a similar manner, minus the initial payment scheduling.
So far so good. What makes things complicated are the additional requirements:
administrators can "freeze" memberships (put them on hold), for specific durations, after which they automatically reactivate (e.g. to represent people who go away on vacation for a set period of time). I can choose to freeze a membership right now and have it reactivate later, or I can choose to schedule a freeze by setting the freeze date at some point in the future, as well as the reactivation date (note: there is always a reactivation date, which makes things a bit easier).
administrators can cancel memberships, either right now, or by setting a cancellation to occur in the future. (Future cancellations are not yet built.)
administrators can refund memberships, which is like a cancellation except any past payments are refunded.
What makes these difficult to deal with is the effect on recurring payments. When you freeze a membership, the recurring payments must "stretch out" around the freeze period, so that the period of time that represents the freeze is not paid for. This is both conceptually and programmatically difficult to handle. Payments, for example, may extend for different periods (i.e. each payment for someone who pays every other week pays for two weeks of a membership), and the date of cancellation may be anywhere within the period the payment covers.
For the freezes, I have taken the approach where the membership object contains some dates, namely "freeze_on" and "thaw_on" to handle the freeze period. However, the client now wants future cancellations as well, and I have noticed some bugs with the freezing functionality, which leads me to believe I need to reconsider my approach.
I am considering changing things so that future events can be scheduled but have no effect on the recurring payments portion of the application. The idea would be to queue up particular events. For example, a freeze in the future would be accomplished by queuing up a freeze event on a particular date, and a thaw event on a subsequent date (these two events would be connected into a single "scheduled freeze" from the user's perspective). A future cancellation would be handled similarly.
This approach has some benefits, for example, if you wanted to cancel a future cancellation (that's the kind of annoying, tricky stuff I'm talking about), you could simply remove the scheduled cancellation from the events queue.
However, I have the nagging feeling that I may simply be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I'm wondering if anyone could provide me with some guidance on this issue. Are there design patterns or existing architectural principles for this sort of problem that I can examine?
An additional thing to note is that recurring payments for memberships with scheduled terms (i.e. not month-to-month automatically renewing) must exist as database records that can be edited (moved in time, price adjusted), so using temporal expressions (as Martin Fowler suggests) is not appropriate for this problem, so far as I know. I realize that my proposed solution of an events queue would not display to the user the changes that would happen to any existing recurring payments, but I think I can live with that.
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Edit: To respond to the two great suggestions below (the comment boxes don't allow nearly this level of detail):
Kris Robison:
Yes, the freeze period can be an arbitrary length, although in practice I imagine it would be rare for it to be less than two weeks. But any solution should work regardless of the length of the period.
Yes, the renewal date changes - it is pushed forward by the length of the freeze. So if the freeze is two weeks long, it pushes the payment forward by two weeks. To make things especially tricky, in some businesses, the payments can only be withdrawn on specific dates - for example, some clubs only process payments on the 1st and 15th of each month. So when dates are pushed around, for these clubs, they have to "snap" to a particular date.
Can you explain in more detail why these rules affect event queuing but not management of subscription payments?
I'm interested in your amortization table concept. That's basically exactly what I have built already - a year-long membership with monthly payments creates 12, with weekly it created 52 - and each of these have an amount, tax, etc., associated with them, along with a state machine that governs "pending", "paid", "failed", and "refunded" states.
The part I am struggling with is how this table responds to events. Right now, if you set a freeze, it affects the table immediately by changing the dates of the payments. Set a freeze in the middle of the table, and it pushes payments forward. That sounds effective, but it's actually quite complex and hard to manage. How would your amortization table idea improve this situation?
Arsen7:
This sounds like the event queue I proposed originally. It seems obvious to me that you've worked with stuff like this before (I was impressed by your error check on the processing date, this is a great idea and one I intend to implement ASAP) so I'm hoping that you can explain your suggestion in a little more detail.
Specifically, I'm wondering how your concept would deal with the recurring payment situation I've described in my original question, and in the comment that I just left on Kris Robison's answer. If I have set up a schedule of recurring payments for a given purchase, and a freeze event is scheduled for right in the middle of the payments, would the schedule of payments remain unchanged until the date of the freeze became the current date, at which time the freeze would be instituted and the payments would move forward?
This strikes me as perhaps a great way to simplify my application, but I am wondering how users would perceive it. How would I indicate to them that the schedule of payments they were looking at when a freeze has been scheduled is no longer an accurate schedule, but will change once the freeze takes place?
Is it acceptable to apply a scheme used by banking, where you process all account operations once a day?
Every object may have a set of (future) operations, like freeze periods, and every day the object has to make a simple decision, like: "should I expire today or not?"
The good part is, that such daily processing is very simple to program. Also a strange renewal rules (in case you would want them) are simple to design: "is it Friday? is it the last one in this month? If yes, mark me as renewed, add some amount to required payment, or do anything".
That would be very costly (in terms of computing power) to calculate the status dynamically, every time the object is asked. If you store the current "account", you only need more complex calculations when you want to predict future state.
Consider it a pseudo-code:
def process(day)
raise "Already processed or missed a day" unless day == last_processed_day + 1
check_expiration day
check_frozen day
check_anything day
#...
self.last_processed_day = day
self.save!
end
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Specifically, I'm wondering how your concept would deal with the recurring payment situation I've described in my original question, and in the comment that I just left on Kris Robison's answer. If I have set up a schedule of recurring payments for a given purchase, and a freeze event is scheduled for right in the middle of the payments, would the schedule of payments remain unchanged until the date of the freeze became the current date, at which time the freeze would be instituted and the payments would move forward?
This strikes me as perhaps a great way to simplify my application, but I am wondering how users would perceive it. How would I indicate to them that the schedule of payments they were looking at when a freeze has been scheduled is no longer an accurate schedule, but will change once the freeze takes place?
The "daily processing" scheme helps you with providing quick responses for questions which require complex calculations.
You have three "groups": current state (asked often), history (almost never changing, asked relatively rarely), and future.
Your daily processing procedure is not constrained to only update "current" state. If some event is scheduled for the processed day, the procedure probably needs to add "history" records.
If your users will often ask questions about future (and as you said, they will), the "processing" may also create a kind of cache for these questions. For example: find (calculate) the next payment date, and write it in a helper table (a schedule).
The main thing you need to do is to decide which questions will be asked by users, and whether you are able to calculate the responses on-the-fly or you need to have the answer prepared.
In a bank (it varies, of course) if you ask about your current balance, they may give you the answer which was true at the beginning of the day. "Better" banks will tell you that you had X$ at the morning, but now there are also Y$ waiting for accounting.
So, if you put a freeze record into the event queue, you may call a method, which will update the schedule at once. The same procedure (or a very similar) will or may be called in the daily processing routine.
Couple of questions come to mind:
Can the freeze be for time periods less than a month?
If so, does the renewal date change? Or how does the monthly payment get applied for the partial month?
Those affect how your event queuing system may work, but don't ultimately change the management of subscription payments.
One way to address subscription issues is to create an amortization table of subscription payments. If they are paying monthly for a year, twelve payments are queued up in the table. A weekly customer may have 52 payments in the table for the same year. Each time the renewal date comes up, after checking whether a freeze is in place, apply the next payment.
The amortization table keeps track of which payments have been made. If an account cancels, unpaid rows are refunded. If an account freezes according to your event queue, no payment is applied and the table remains static until the account is thawed.
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It sounds like you have the concept of renewal date built into the amortization table. I use the amortization table more as a queue, and keep just the next renewal date with the subscription.
If the renewal date is inherent with the amortization table, then yes, it would be complicated to make changes as things go along. However, the renewal date should only affect the day on which you check to see if another payment gets applied.
If you are preserving partial payments while a subscription is on hold, and if a hold can be for an unspecified period of time, having the duration value on the amortization table lets you push a partial payment back in the queue in a "credit" state with a duration equal to the remaining time left in the payment. That way when the account is thawed, that partial credit is applied first and you calculate the next renewal date from the remaining duration.
Use some form of ordered list to preserve payment order at this point. It also comes in handy should someone ever want to insert a renewal period's worth of credit for customer service reasons.
General Problem
How do retail establishments constrain activation for gift cards, or those pre-paid phone/debit cards?
They must have a system in place that only keeps you from calling in to activate cards that haven't scanned through the register, and I assume there must be a standard solution built into the retail ERP/accounting systems. It probably involves web services or EDI.
Specific Problem
I ask all this because one of my clients wants me to develop a product that you get into by purchasing a $30 card at a retail store. The card has a unique number on it. Once you've purchased a card and activated it via a web site, coupons for restaurants and so on are emailed to you periodically.
However, if someone were to steal a bunch of cards or figure out the numbering sequence, we don't want the cards to work.
Presumably, this is a solved problem because retailers are doing this with the products above (pre-paid phone cards, etc).
I can think of a number of ways to solve this problem, however I need to provide the "standard" solution that the retailers expect, so that the product will snap into their infrastructure in the normal way.
Thanks a lot!
I've worked on a few of these types of systems and they all basically work the same way. The card has a # encoded into the magnetic strip (it could also be a barcode). That's usually all that's on the card itself. Cards are then activated at time of purchase.
Here's the basic flow:
Customer comes in and purchases a card:
The card is swiped and/or scanned.
A call is made to an on-line system (usually via some type of webservice call). It includes the card #, the amount they are activating with, and maybe a bit of additional information (ex. invoice #), and possible something like the previous transaction #.
If the call is successful, you get back a transaction ID #.
If the call fails, there is usually some protocol you are supposed to follow (sometimes handled during the daily settlement process). Things like retrying the activation, or running a query to determine if the last transaction went through.
If it was successful, the card is now active.
So basically, the card is worthless until it's activated. At that point it becomes "live" and has money associated with it. That is, back on some server somewhere is a database that has this card #, when/where it was activated, amounts, etc.
There is usually some functionality to generate an "end of day" transaction report to help you reconcile your numbers (what your system says vs what they have recorded).
Since cards are centrally managed it becomes easy for them to flag cards if they were stolen (not that it matters since they have $0 value until they have been activated).
I found out through other sources that there are about eight card processing services that integrate with the various retail locations.
Each retail location uses one. When a card scans through the register, the retailer notifies the card processing service (unlocking the PIN so that it can be activated), and then presumably the card processing service notifies us via an API call.
Then, when the customer goes to activate their card, we can tell which ones have scanned through the register (because they are unlocked). In this way, we get around problems surrounding stolen cards or guessed pin numbers.
The names of a few of these networks are:
Blackhawk Networks
InCom
Coin Star
I had the joy of working on one of these systems right out of college. Depending on the way they handle their processing whether end of day batch or weekly report could cause quite a lot of problems. One of the things I saw was that if the person whom had the card, whether legit or not, if they managed to make a bunch of purchases that were < the day's starting balance but by the end of the day > greater than starting balance all the purchases would go through. Not very fun when the company had to swallow upwards of 100 dollars per user a day.
In terms of security, make the company that you interface with be held responsible for purchases. That is the best way of handling this in what I have seen, because that is what they are there for. Hope that helps in some roundabout way.
You have to be careful, I have seen this played out in retailers..a customer in front of you is asked if they have a loyalty card by the cashier. The customer says no, but the customer behind them offers their card and it gets swiped hence collecting points for something that they did not buy...
Thus gets points at the expense of the customer in not having it thus skewing/distorting the results of the customer (the one who has a loyalty card)'s personal shopping experience and what they did not buy...on the appropriate system's database
In short, there is no foolproof way of getting around that other than asking for a retina scan or finger print that identifies the customer. Some customers would be cautious in joining a club in regards to their privacy...that is another thing to be kept in mind...not all of them would have a loyalty card...
Hope this helps,
Best regards,
Tom.
I believe that the most secure solution possible is to have a server that generates and prints (or exports) the card numbers. When a customer is interested in purchasing a gift card, it is scanned at the register and the register notifies the server that the card has been approved (probably with the credentials of the cashier).
Then when input on your website, the website checks with the card server to see if the card number is valid and approved.
Then, stolen cards are not approved. If someone figures out the numbering scheme, then you may be screwed so it is recommended that the numbers be random with enough digits to make guessing numbers unreasonable (perhaps with something similar to a CV2 code).
This is similar to how debit cards work: card number/CV2 generated ("server") -> shipped to customer -> customer activates via phone ("register", with the "credentials" being their SSN or similar) -> customer then uses at a store and the store contacts the card company's server
I know that Intuit Quickbooks Point of Sale offers a service like this (complete with an API), you could look them up.
I like HalfBrain's solution. I'd also imagine they have certain pieces of security in mind, like a single IP address (or some other criterion) with more than some number of failed activation attempts getting flagged for apparently attempting to probe the system.
Our website uses a credit system to allow users to purchase inexpensive digital goods (eg. photos). We use credits, rather than asking the user to pay for items individually, because the items are cheap and we are trying to keep our credit-card/PayPal overhead low.
Because we aren't a bank, we have to expire credits after a certain amount of time. We expire deposit credits after a year, but other types of credits (bonuses, prizes, refunds) may have a different shelf-life. When a buyer buys an item, we spend the credit that is going to expire first.
Our current system keeps track of every deposit by storing the original value and the remainder to be spent. We keep a list of all purchases as well, of course.
I am currently moving to a system which is much more like a traditional double-entry accounting system. A deposit will create a ledger item, increasing the user's 'spending' account balance. Every purchase will also create a ledger item, decreasing the user's 'spending' account balance. The new system has running balances, while the old system does not, which greatly improves our ability to find problems and do reconciliations.
We do not want to use the old system of keeping a 'remainder' value attached to each deposit record because it is inefficient to replay a user's activities to calculate what the remainder of each deposit is over time (for the user's statement).
So, after all of this verbose introduction, my question is "Does anyone else out there have a similar system of expiring credits?" If you could describe how you calculate expired credits it would be a great help.
If all expired credits had the exact same shelf life, we would be able to calculate the expired amount using:
Total Deposits - Total Spending - Deposits Not Due To Expire = Amount to Expire
However, because deposits can have different shelf lives, this formula does not work because more than one deposit can be partially spent at any given time.
No, I don't have a similar system, but it sounds like you should probably add the expired credits to the ledger as debits.
These credits you describe don't sound to me like a currency; they sound more like a financial instrument with an expiration date, like an option or a futures contract. If you use conventional double-entry bookeeping, and account for each instrument individually the same way a financial brokerage would, then things should work out about right.