I set up a project and ran it, and looked at it in Process Explorer, and it turns out it's using about 5x more RAM than I would have guessed, just to start up. Now if my program's going too slowly, I hook it up to a profiler and have it tell me what's using all my cycles. Is there any similar tool I can hook it up to and have it tell me what's using all my RAM?
AQTime can help with that too.
What figures are you using from Process Explorer?
"Memory Use" in Windows is not a straightforward topic. Almost every application incorporates some form of memory manager that attempts to satisfy the memory needs of the application, about which the operating system has surprisingly little knowledge - the OS knows what memory the applications memory manager is using, but that is not always the same thing as what your application is actually using.
A simple way to see this is to watch the memory use reported by Task Manager.... start up a Delphi application, note it's "memory use" in Task Manager. Then minimise that application to the taskbar and you should see the memory use fall. Even restoring the application again won't result in the memory use climbing back to the previous level.
In crude terms, when you minimise the application the memory manager takes that as a cue that it should return any unnecessarily "used" memory back to the OS. That is, memory that the memory manager is using to efficiently service your application but which your application itself is not actually using.
The memory manager should also return this memory to the system if the system requires it, due to low memory conditions for example. The minimise to taskbar "trick" is simply a sensible optimisation - since a minimised app is typically not actively in use it's an opportune time to do such "housekeeping" automatically.
(This is not "a bad thing", it's just something to be aware of when considering "memory use")
To make matters worse, in addition to memory that the memory manager is using but which your application is not, there is also the question of "commit charge", which won't necessarily show up as memory that is used by either your application OR it's memory manager!
In a Delphi application (from Delphi 2006 onward) the memory manager is FastMM and that has a built in tool that will show you what your application memory use is like from "the inside" (or at least it used to have such a tool - I've not used it in a while).
iirc using it was a question of simply adding a unit to your project and creating a form at runtime (via some "debug only" menu item on the Help menu, or whatever mechanism you choose) that would then give you a "map" of your memory usage.
If you are using a version of Delphi earlier than 2006 you can still use FastMM - it's free and open source. Just download it from sourceforge.
AQTime has been for us an amazing profiling tool. It works amazingly well and allowed us to pinpoint bottlenecks in places where never thought were any, while sometimes showing us there was no bottleneck where we were sure there was.
It is, along with Finalbuilder, Araxis Merge, and TestComplete, an indispensable tool!
In addition to the others: Before I switched to D2006+ (and started using fastmm) I used AQTime's free memproof. It has some issues but it is workable.
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Historically we have had problems with RAD studio running out of memory which no longer happens with XE10 Seattle. We have a lot of our own components which have never been tested for large memory awareness and do not need it when built into our applications BUT we have recently had an IDE fault due to the design time instance of a component being instantiated at an address above 2Gb (which we have fixed).
I have a feeling I read somewhere that Embarcadero have a method for testing RAD Studio (command line option ??) for higher memory compatibility but cannot find the reference anywhere. Does anyone know either how to force higher memory position allocation in the IDE to verify our component set's design time behavior or alternative a way of testing in an application other that writing something that just steals all the lower memory.
I've tried the "allocate from the top" option in FastMM but this just starts allocating from 2Gb downwards even when the executable is set for higher memory use.
The most effective way to test this is to force the system to allocate memory top down. How this is done is described here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb613473.aspx
To force allocations to allocate from higher addresses before lower addresses for testing purposes, specify MEM_TOP_DOWN when calling VirtualAlloc or set the following registry value to 0x100000:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\AllocationPreference
Once you change the registry setting you will need to restart your machine.
Do not be surprised if your machine becomes unstable when you do this. A great many anti-malware products are incapable of operating under system-wide top down memory allocation. You might find it necessary to temporarily disable your anti-malware while performing top down allocation testing.
One old application started to consume memory a lot after server update. Memory usage seems to rise with out limit until program hangs.
According to FastMM4 and EurekaLog, there's no memory leak (except 28 bytes), so I assume all memory is freed when application is shutdown.
Are there any tools or strategies suitable for tracking this kind of memory problem?
Since September 2012, there is a very simple and comfortable way to find this type of "run-time only" memory leaks.
FastMM4991 introduced a new method, LogMemoryManagerStateToFile:
Added the LogMemoryManagerStateToFile call. This call logs a summary of
the memory manager state to file: The total allocated memory, overhead,
efficiency, and a breakdown of allocated memory by class and string type.
This call may be useful to catch objects that do not necessarily leak, but
do linger longer than they should.
To discover the leak at run time, you only need these steps
add a call to LogMemoryManagerStateToFile('memory.log', '') in a place where it will be called in intervals
run the application
open the log file with a tail program (for example BareTail), which will auto-refresh when the file content changes
watch the first lines of the file, they will contain the memory allocations which occupy the highest amount of memory
if you see a class or memory type constantly has a growing number of instances, this can be the reason of your leak
The growing memory consumption is an application issue. It is not a bug, which can discover FastMM4 or EurekaLog. As from they point of view - application just correctly uses the memory.
Using AQTime, MemProof (hard to find, D7 is last supported version (?)), SleuthQA (similar to MemProof) or similar memory profilers, you can track the memory usage outside of application in real-time.
Using FastMM4, GetMemoryManagerState / GetMemoryManagerUsageSummary you can track memory usage from application. Output this information into trace file and analyze it after run. Or make simple wrapping function for one of the above procedures, which will return curent memory usage. And call it from IDE Debugger Evalute / Modify, add to Watches or call OutputDebugString, and see the current memory usage.
Note, if memory is eated by some DLL then you may not see her memory usage using (3). Use (2).
Analyzing the memory usage and the tasks performed by the application, you may discover what leads to raised memory usage.
AQTime (a commercial tool which is quite expensive) can report your memory usage, down to the line of source code that allocated each object. In the case of very large memory usage scenarios, you might want the AQTime functionality that can show the number of objects and the size (total plus individual instance size) for each object. AQTime worked great for me, starting with Delphi 7, and all later versions, including your version (2006) and the latest versions (XE and XE2).
As the program memory usage grows, AQTime can be used to grab "snapshots" of the runtime heap, you can use to understand memory usage of your application; What is being created, and how many of each object exists. Even when no leaks exist, understanding the runtime behaviour of your application in terms of the objects it creates and manages, is very important, and AQTime is the most powerful tool I know of for Delphi users.
If you are willing to upgrade to Delphi XE/XE2, you might have an included light version of AQTime already, if so, check it out. If not, I recommend you try their demo. I am unaware of any free or open source alternatives that can provide the same functionality.
Lesser functionality could be cobbled together manually by writing lots of trace messages, or using the FastMM full-debug-mode. If you could write a complete dump of your memory usage into a very large file, you might be able to write some tools to parse, and create a summary. The problem I have with FastMM in this case, is that you will be drowned in detail information, without the ability to extract exactly the summary information that helps you understand your situation. So, you can try to write your own tool to summarize the memory usage. In one application I had that used a series of components that I knew would use a lot of memory, I wrote a dialog box into my application that showed current memory usage by these large memory-blob-of-data objects.
Have you ever think about the Leak that is causing the IDE... it is so huge!!!
In my case (2GB of RAM) i do the next...
1. Open the IDE
2. Leave it minimized for near six hours
3. See how Physical memory is getting used
The result:
While IDE is oppened (remember i also do the test having it minimized) it is getting more and more RAM... till no more ram free.
It gets all 2GB RAM + all Pagefile hard disk space (i have it configured to a mas of 4GB)
In less that six hours (doing nothing on IDE) it tries to use more than 6GB.
That is called a Memory Leak casused by the IDE... i do not type any letter on IDE, do not compile anything, do not even open any project... just open IDE and minimize it... leave the computer without doing anything on it for about six hours and IDE is consuming 6GB of memory.
Of course, after that, the IDE start with annoying messages of SystemOutOfMemory... and i must kill it... then all that 6GB are freed!!!
When on the hell will this get fixed?
Please note i have all patches applied, i also tested without applying each patch/hotfix, etc...
The best i got was dissabling some options on Tools, like the one that underlines bad code, etc... so why on the hell that option has any influence... i am not typing anything on the IDE (on the tests)... and if i have it dissabled the memory leak gets reduced a lot...
Of course, if i use the IDE (write code on an opened project) without even compiling / running it... the thing goes much more worst... memory leak upto 6GB can got reached on less than an hour, sometimes occurs after 15 minutes of Copy/Paste source code.
Seems there will not be a solution in a short time!!!
So i got the next solution that works perfect:
-Close the IDE an reopen it each 15 minutes or less
Ugly solution, i know... but works!!!
I had an issue recently (see my last question) that led me to take a closer look at the memory management in my Delphi application. After my first exploration, I have two questions.
I've started playing with the FastMMUsageTracker, and noticed the following. When I open a file to be used by the app (which also creates a form etc...), there is a significant discrepancy between the variation in available virtual memory for the app, and the variation in "FastMM4 allocated" memory.
First off, I'm a little confused by the terminology: why is there some FastMM-allocated memory and some "System-allocated" (and reserved) memory? Since FastMM is the memory manager, why is the system in charge of allocating some of the memory?
Also, how can I get more details on what objects/structures have been allocated that memory? The VM chart is only useful in showing the amount of memory that is "system allocated", "system reserved", or "FastMM allocated", but there is no link to the actual objects requiring that memory. Is it possible for example to get a report, mid-execution, similar to what FastMM generates upon closing the application? FastMM obviously stores that information somewhere.
As a bonus for me, if people can recommend a good reference (book, website) on the subject, it would also be much appreciated. There are tons of info on the net, but it's usually very case-specific and experts-oriented.
Thanks!
PS: This is not about finding leaks, no problem there, just trying to understand memory management better and be pre-emptive for the future, as our application uses more and more memory.
Some of your questions are easy. Well, one of them anyway!
Why is there some FastMM-allocated
memory and some "System-allocated"
(and reserved) memory? Since FastMM is
the memory manager, why is the system
in charge of allocating some of the
memory?
The code that you write in Delphi is only part of what runs in your process. You use 3rd party libraries in the form of DLLs, most notably the Windows API. Anytime you create a Delphi form, for example, there are a lot of windows objects behind it that consume memory. This memory does not get allocated by FastMM and I presume is what is termed "system-allocated" in your question.
However, if you want to go any deeper then this very rapidly becomes an extremely complex topic. If you do want to go deeper into the implementation of Windows memory management then I think you need to consult a serious reference source. I suggest Windows Internals by Mark Russinovich, David Solomon and Alex Ionescu.
First off, I'm a little confused by the terminology: why is there some FastMM-allocated memory and some "System-allocated" (and reserved) memory? Since FastMM is the memory manager, why is the system in charge of allocating some of the memory?
Where do you suppose FastMM gets the memory to allocate? It comes from the system, of course.
When your app starts up, FastMM gets a block of memory from the system. When you ask for some memory to use (whether with GetMem, New, or TSomething.Create), FastMM tries to give it to you from that first initial block. If there's not enough there, FastMM asks for more (in one block if possible) from the system, and returns a chunk of that to you. When you free something, FastMM doesn't return that memory to the OS, because it figures you'll use it again. It just marks it as unused internally. It also tries to realign unused blocks so that they're as contiguous as possible, in order to try not to have to go back to the OS for more needlessly. (This realignment isn't always possible, though; that's where you end up with memory fragmentation from things like multiple resizing of dynamic arrays, lots of object creates and frees, and so forth.)
In addition to the memory FastMM manages in your app, the system sets aside room for the stack and heap. Each process gets a meg of stack space when it starts up, as room to put variables. This stack (and the heap) can grow dynamically as needed.
When your application exits, all of the memory it's allocated is released back to the OS. (It may not appear so immediately in Task Manager, but it is.)
Is it possible for example to get a report, mid-execution, similar to what FastMM generates upon closing the application?
Not as far as I can tell. Because FastMM stores it somewhere doesn't necessarily mean there's a way to access it during runtime from outside the memory manager. You can look at the source for FastMMUsageTracker to see how the information is retrieved (using GetMemoryManagerState and GetMemoryMap, in the RefreshSnapshot method). The source to FastMM4 is also available; you can look and see what public methods are available.
FastMM's own documentation (in the form of the readme files, FastMM4Options.inc comments, and the FastMM4_FAQ.txt file) is useful to some extent in explaining how it works and what debugging options (and information) is available.
For a detailed map of what memory a process is using, try VMMAP from www.sysinternals.com (also co-authored by Mark Russinovich, mentioned in David's answer). This also allows you to see what is stored in some of the locations (type control-T when a detail line is selected).
Warning: there is much more memory in use by your process than you might think. You may need to read the book first.
I have a MDI program. When It starts it takes 2-3MB of RAM. Then, in this program I create about 260 MDI child windows (each has a TStringGrid, a bitmap and some other controls) and display some data. The application needs about 500MB to load all those windows. If I close each MDI child manually, the application still uses 160MB of RAM. Why it doesn't return to few MB of RAM? Should I worry about this? 160MB it is A LOT for a system that has only 1GB or RAM!!
Note: I use the WORKING SET column in Task Manager to see RAM statistics. Maybe I need a better tool to read the RAM utilization. (Private Working Set is just a bit smaller than Working Set).
This is not a leak!
FastMM (set on aggressive) indicates no memory leak when I close the program. See my Answer post for additional evidence that it isn't a leak.
I release stuff
Many people told me that closing a child window only hides it. I know that. I use "Action:= caFree" to actually release the forms. Each form is responsible for releasing the controls it holds.
Answer
I have found that FastMM is responsible for this. See the answer I posted below.
Delphi 7, Win 7 32 bit
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Task Manager is not the right tool to detect memory leaks. Delphi allocates large blocks of memory and keeps them later for future use, so certain increase in allocated memory is expected even after you release all resources. Any other results (and more detailed answers) can be obtained only by using specialize memory analysis tools. AQTime is the first that comes to mind, or if you can find old but useful MemProof, it would help you a lot (MemProof is free and for memory analysis it's more handy than AQTime).
It is very well possible that FastMM does not show memory leaks upon application termination (for instance because all objects are TComponents that are owned, and the ownser frees them).
But in the mean time, while running those components can still be around, and not freed soon enough.
Did you use the FastMM unit that shows a form with the current memory usage?
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This is the FastMMUsageTracker.pas in the directory ...\FastMM\Demos\Usage Tracker.
Use that unit, then call the ShowFastMMUsageTracker function in it.
You can refresh that form every once in a while to see how your memory consumption grows.
I have put a FastMMUsageTrackerProject sample on-line, including an update of FastMM4 that makes it easier to check and debug memory leaks:
the form in the FastMMUsageTracker unit is now resizable, and the controls in it anchor in the right way
there is a new FastMmBootstrapUnit unit making debugging specific memory leaks easier
Something I had at hand last week, was a 3rd party DLL, which was not written in Delphi.
The DLL had a memory leak using Windows GlobalAlloc calls, which are not tracked by FastMM.
NB: I'm about to post an update to FastMM on
--jeroen
Answer:
I just removed FastMM from my project and the program returned to few MB after freeing all those child windows. Many may argue that this is not a misbehavior and that FastMM is doing this in order to do some kind of kinky memory optimizations. They may be true. However, it may be good for MY application but it may not be good of other running applications.
So, at least we know who causes this. I worried to a whole day that may program is leaking RAM like an old bucket. I am relieved now.
UPDATE:
To confirm that this behavior is generated by FastMM (as suggested by Barry Kelly) I created a second program that allocated A LOT of RAM. As soon as Windows ran out of RAM, my program memory utilization returned to its original value.
(Note: I am not saying there is a bug in FastMM!)
My program is not leaking. Problem solved.
The main limitation of FastMM's memory leak tracing is that it can only run when you shut down the program. It could be that you're still holding references to objects or other data that gets cleaned up when you shut down the program, but stays around until then.
For example, when you close the MDI child windows, do you call Free or Release on them, or just make them disappear? If they're hidden but not freed, they'll still be in memory.
If you close an MDI form it is not freed automatically. Use Action = caFree (google for that) to make sure the form is also freed.
Is there a way to access (read or free) memory chunks that are outside the memory that is allocated for the program without getting access violation exceptions.
Well what I actually would like to understand apart from this, is how a memory cleaner (system garbage collector) works. I've always wanted to write such a program. (The language isn't an issue)
Thanks in advance :)
No.
Any modern operating system will prevent one process from accessing memory that belongs to another process.
In fact, it you understood virtual memory, you'd understand that this is impossible. Each process has its own virtual address space.
The simple answer (less I'm mistaken), no. Generally it's not a good idea for 2 reasons. First is because it causes a trust problem between your program and other programs (not to mention us humans won't trust your application either). second is if you were able to access another applications memory and make a change without the application knowing about it, you will cause the application to crash (also viruses do this).
A garbage collector is called from a runtime. The runtime "owns" the memory space and allows other applications to "live" within that memory space. This is why the garbage collector can exist. You will have to create a runtime that the OS allocates memory to, have the runtime execute the application under it's authority and use the GC under it's authority as well. You will need to allow some instrumentation or API that allows the application developer to "request" memory from your runtime (not the OS) and your runtime have a way to not only response to such a request but also keep track of the memory space it's allocating to that application. You will probably need to have a framework (set of DLL's) that makes these calls available to the application (the developer would use them to form the request inside their application).
You have to be sure that your garbage collector does not remove memory other then the memory that is used by the application being executed, as you may have more then 1 application running within your runtime at the same time.
Hope this helps.
Actually the right answer is YES.. there are some programs that does it (and if they exists.. it means it is possible...)
maybe you need to write a kernel drive to accomplish this, but it is possible.
Oh - and I have another example... Debugger attach command... here is one program that interacts with another program memory even though both started as a different process....
of course - messing with another program memory.. if you don't know what you're doing will probably make it crush...