Stack data size - stack

I cannot find answer to this question. What is the size of data pushed on stack?
Let's say that you push some data on the stack. For example an int. Then value of stack pointer decreases by 4 bytes.
Until today I thought that the biggest data that can be pushed on stack cannot be larger than pointer size. But I did a little experiment. I wrote a simple app in C#:
int i = 0; //0x68 <-- address of variable
int j = 1; //0x64
ulong k = 2; //0x5C
int l = 3; //0x58
Due to my predictions, ulong should be allocated on heap, because it needs 8 bytes, while I am working on 32 bit system (so pointer size is 4 bytes). And that would be very odd, because this is simple local variable.
But it was pushed on stack.
So I think that there is something wrong with the way I think of stack. Because how would stack pointer "know" if he must be changed 4 bytes (if we push int) or 8 bytes (if we push long or double) or just 1 byte?
Or maybe values of local variables are on heap but addresses of those variables are on stack. But this would make no sense, because that's how objects are processed. When I create object (using new keyword) object is allocated on heap and address to this object is pushed on stack, right?
So could someone tell me (or give a link to article) how it really works?

The compiler or run-time environment knows the kind of data you are working with, and knows how to structure into units that will fit onto the stack. So, for example, on an architecture where the stack pointer only moves in 32-bit chunks, the compiler or run-time will know how to format a data element that is longer that 32-bits as multiple 32-bit chunks to push them. It will know, similarly, how to pop them off the stack and reconstruct a variable of the appropriate type.
The problem here is not really different for the stack than it is for any other kind of memory. The CPU architecture will be optimised to work with a small number of data elements of a particular size, but programming languages typically provide a much wider range of data types. The compiler or the run-time environment has to handle the packing and unpacking of data this situation requires.

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How do stack machines efficiently store data types of different sizes?

Suppose I have the following primitive stack implementation for a virtual machine:
unsigned long stack[512];
unsigned short top = 0;
void push(unsigned long qword) {
stack[top] = qword;
top++;
}
void pop() {
top--;
}
unsigned long get() {
return top-1;
}
This stack actually works fine (except that it doesn't check for an overflow) but I now have the following problem: It is quite inefficient.
Here is an example:
Let's say I want to push a byte onto the stack. I would now have to cast it to a long and then push it onto the stack. But now a whole 7 bytes are not being used. This feels kind of wrong.
So now I have the following question:
How do stack machines efficiently store data types of different sizes? Do they do the same as in this implementation?
There are different metrics of efficiency. Using an eight bytes long to store a single byte will raise the memory consumption. On the other hand, memory is not the major concern on most of today’s machines. Further, a stack is a pre-allocated amount of memory, typically. So as long as not the entire memory block has been exhausted, it is entirely irrelevant whether the unused seven bytes are within that long or on the other side of the location marked by top.
In terms of CPU time, you don’t gain any advantage of transferring a quantity smaller than the hardware’s bus size. In the best case, it makes no difference. In the worst case, transferring a single byte boils down to reading a long from memory, manipulating one byte of it and writing the long back. In the latter case, it would be more efficient to expand the byte to long, to overwrite all eight bytes explicitly.
This is reflected by the design of the Java bytecode, for example. It does not only drop support for pushing and popping quantities smaller than 32 bit, it doesn’t even support arithmetic instructions for them¹. So for most use cases, you don’t even know that a quantity could be a byte before pushing. Only formal parameter types and array types may refer to byte.
But note that a JVM isn’t even a stack engine in the narrowest sense. There is no support for pushing and popping arbitrary numbers of items. As explained in this answer, expressing the intent using a stack allows very compact instructions. But Java bytecode doesn’t allow branching to code locations with a different number of items on the stack. So it doesn’t support pushing or popping items in a loop. In other words, for each instruction, the actual offset into the stack is predictable and also the operand types are known. So it’s always possible to transform Java bytecode to an IR not using a stack straight-forwardly. Such transformed code could use instructions with arbitrary operand sizes, if that has a benefit on the particular target architecture.
¹ And that was accounting for hardware in use a quarter century ago
There's no "one true" way of doing this, and the Java VM uses a few different strategies. All types less than 32-bits in size are widened to 32-bits. Pushing 1 byte to the stack effectively pushes 4 bytes to the stack. The benefit is simplicity when there are fewer native value sizes to deal with.
Another strategy is used for 64-bit values. They occupy two stack slots instead of one. The JVM has specific opcodes which indicate which type of value they expect on the stack, and the verifier ensures that no opcode is attempting to access a variable off the stack that doesn't match the type that should be there.
A third strategy is used for object references. The actual pointer size can be 32 bits or 64 bits, depending on the CPU capabilities, whether the JVM is running in 64-bit mode, etc. The JVM has specific opcodes for handling object references, and the verifier checks this too.

MIPS architecture padding

How do data types get allocated in stack in MIPS architecture?
If i have 2 char and 1 int data, is stack going to allocate them in 8 byte form(2 chars are in same memory segment and 1 int is in another memory segment) or 12 byte form(memory segment for each chars and 1 memory segment for int)? I am trying to understand 32 bit MIPS architecture.
To the question, it matters if the data types being allocated are for local variables vs. for parameter passing.
For locals you can allocate whatever you want as long as the int is aligned on 4 byte boundary.  The total stack allocation is rounded up to 8 bytes (though some don't bother with this, e.g. for homework, and, is only strictly necessary if your function calls other functions that may rely on the expected 8 byte alignment of the stack.)
For parameters you should follow the documented calling convention — there are several so you have to know which you're working with.  See here to see some of them; look for "MIPS EABI 32-bit Calling Convention" and/vs. "MIPS O32 32-bit Calling Convention".
What they have in common is that the first four parameters are passed in registers, which effectively means that chars take a full 32-bit word; char parameters passed on the stack also follow that form, so take a full 32-bit word each.

x86 Can push/pop be less than 4 bytes? [duplicate]

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Hi I am reading a guide on x86 by the University of Virginia and it states that pushing and popping the stack either removes or adds a 4-byte data element to the stack.
Why is this set to 4 bytes? Can this be changed, could you save memory on the stack by pushing on smaller data elements?
The guide can be found here if anyone wishes to view it:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs216/guides/x86.html
Short answer: Yes, 16 or 32 bits. And, for x86-64, 64 bits.
The primary reasons for a stack are to return from nested function calls and to save/restore register values. It is also typically used to pass parameters and return function results. Except for the smallest parameters, these items usually have the same size by the design of the processor, namely, the size of the instruction pointer register. For 8088/8086, it is 16-bits. For 80386 and successors, it is 32-bits. Therefore, there is little value in having stack instructions that operate on other sizes.
There is also the consideration of the size of the data on the memory bus. It takes the same amount of time to retrieve or store a word as it does a byte. (Except for 8088 which has 16-bit registers but an 8-bit data bus.) Alignment also comes into play. The stack should be aligned on word boundaries so each value can be retrieved as one memory operation. The trade-off is usually taken to save time over saving memory. To pass one byte as a parameter, one word is usually used. (Or, depending on the optimization available to the compiler, one word-sized register would be used, avoiding the stack altogether.)

Are the name of the variable and the data itself, both of them stored in the stack?

My question is : Are the name of the variable and the data itself both stored in the stack?
I would like to know how the name of the variable is linked to the address memory in the stack (the data) and what does it.
Also how does anything know the number of bytes the type of the variable is composed of and how does it decides to read these exact number of bytes in the stack?
Does all the data stored in the stack occupy the same space, no matter the type of data it is?.
And the same questions with the heap?
Generally, I believe the following to be true in most practical implementations:
No, the name and actual data are not both stored on the stack.
The compiler keeps track of where the variable is on the stack, and when the compiler is done, all references to the variable (ie the name) has been substituted by a proper increse/decrease of the stack pointer to address the memory area where the data is stored.
No, they do not occupy the same space. A 4 byte var takes up 4 bytes. A 1000000 bytes variable take up 1000000 bytes (but that's not recommended, usually).
The heap is a bit different... Maybe this page can answer your question a bit more: http://www.learncpp.com/cpp-tutorial/79-the-stack-and-the-heap

What is the purpose of each of the memory locations, stack, heap, etc? (lost in technicalities)

Ok, I asked the difference between Stackoverflow and bufferoverflow yesterday and almost getting voted down to oblivion and no new information.
So it got me thinking and I decided to rephrase my question in the hopes that I get reply which actually solves my issue.
So here goes nothing.
I am aware of four memory segments(correct me if I am wrong). The code, data, stack and heap. Now AFAIK the the code segment stores the code, while the data segment stores the data related to the program. What seriously confuses me is the purpose of the stack and the heap!
From what I have understood, when you run a function, all the related data to the function gets stored in the stack and when you recursively call a function inside a function, inside of a function... While the function is waiting on the output of the previous function, the function and its necessary data don't pop out of the stack. So you end up with a stack overflow. (Again please correct me if I am wrong)
Also I know what the heap is for. As I have read someplace, its for dynamically allocating data when a program is executing. But this raises more questions that solves my problems. What happens when I initially initialize my variables in the code.. Are they in the code segment or in the data segment or in the heap? Where do arrays get stored? Is it that after my code executes all that was in my heap gets erased? All in all, please tell me about heap in a more simplified manner than just, its for malloc and alloc because I am not sure I completely understand what those terms are!
I hope people when answering don't get lost in the technicalities and can keep the terms simple for a layman to understand (even if the concept to be described is't laymanish) and keep educating us with the technical terms as we go along. I also hope this is not too big a question, because I seriously think they could not be asked separately!
What is the stack for?
Every program is made up of functions / subroutines / whatever your language of choice calls them. Almost always, those functions have some local state. Even in a simple for loop, you need somewhere to keep track of the loop counter, right? That has to be stored in memory somewhere.
The thing about functions is that the other thing they almost always do is call other functions. Those other functions have their own local state - their local variables. You don't want your local variables to interfere with the locals in your caller. The other thing that has to happen is, when FunctionA calls FunctionB and then has to do something else, you want the local variables in FunctionA to still be there, and have their same values, when FunctionB is done.
Keeping track of these local variables is what the stack is for. Each function call is done by setting up what's called a stack frame. The stack frame typically includes the return address of the caller (for when the function is finished), the values for any method parameters, and storage for any local variables.
When a second function is called, then a new stack frame is created, pushed onto the top of the stack, and the call happens. The new function can happily work away on its stack frame. When that second function returns, its stack frame is popped (removed from the stack) and the caller's frame is back in place just like it was before.
So that's the stack. So what's the heap? It's got a similar use - a place to store data. However, there's often a need for data that lives longer than a single stack frame. It can't go on the stack, because when the function call returns, it's stack frame is cleaned up and boom - there goes your data. So you put it on the heap instead. The heap is a basically unstructured chunk of memory. You ask for x number of bytes, and you get it, and can then party on it. In C / C++, heap memory stays allocated until you explicitly deallocate. In garbage collected languages (Java/C#/Python/etc.) heap memory will be freed when the objects on it aren't used anymore.
To tackle your specific questions from above:
What's the different between a stack overflow and a buffer overflow?
They're both cases of running over a memory limit. A stack overflow is specific to the stack; you've written your code (recursion is a common, but not the only, cause) so that it has too many nested function calls, or you're storing a lot of large stuff on the stack, and it runs out of room. Most OS's put a limit on the maximum size the stack can reach, and when you hit that limit you get the stack overflow. Modern hardware can detect stack overflows and it's usually doom for your process.
A buffer overflow is a little different. So first question - what's a buffer? Well, it's a bounded chunk of memory. That memory could be on the heap, or it could be on the stack. But the important thing is you have X bytes that you know you have access to. You then write some code that writes X + more bytes into that space. The compiler has probably already used the space beyond your buffer for other things, and by writing too much, you've overwritten those other things. Buffer overruns are often not seen immediately, as you don't notice them until you try to do something with the other memory that's been trashed.
Also, remember how I mentioned that return addresses are stored on the stack too? This is the source of many security issues due to buffer overruns. You have code that uses a buffer on the stack and has an overflow vulnerability. A clever hacker can structure the data that overflows the buffer to overwrite that return address, to point to code in the buffer itself, and that's how they get code to execute. It's nasty.
What happens when I initially initialize my variables in the code.. Are they in the code segment or in the data segment or in the heap?
I'm going to talk from a C / C++ perspective here. Assuming you've got a variable declaration:
int i;
That reserves (typically) four bytes on the stack. If instead you have:
char *buffer = malloc(100);
That actually reserves two chunks of memory. The call to malloc allocates 100 bytes on the heap. But you also need storage for the pointer, buffer. That storage is, again, on the stack, and on a 32-bit machine will be 4 bytes (64-bit machine will use 8 bytes).
Where do arrays get stored...???
It depends on how you declare them. If you do a simple array:
char str[128];
for example, that'll reserve 128 bytes on the stack. C never hits the heap unless you explicitly ask it to by calling an allocation method like malloc.
If instead you declare a pointer (like buffer above) the storage for the pointer is on the stack, the actual data for the array is on the heap.
Is it that after my code executes all that was in my heap gets erased...???
Basically, yes. The OS will clean up the memory used by a process after it exits. The heap is a chunk of memory in your process, so the OS will clean it up. Although it depends on what you mean by "clean it up." The OS marks those chunks of RAM as now free, and will reuse it later. If you had explicit cleanup code (like C++ destructors) you'll need to make sure those get called, the OS won't call them for you.
All in all, please tell me about heap in a more simplified manner than just, its for malloc and alloc?
The heap is, much like it's name, a bunch of free bytes that you can grab a piece at a time, do whatever you want with, then throw back to use for something else. You grab a chunk of bytes by calling malloc, and you throw it back by calling free.
Why would you do this? Well, there's a couple of common reasons:
You don't know how many of a thing
you need until run time (based on
user input, for example). So you
dynamically allocate on the heap as
you need them.
You need large data structures. On
Windows, for example, a thread's
stack is limited by default to 1
meg. If you're working with large
bitmaps, for example, that'll be a
fast way to blow your stack and get
a stack overflow. So you grab that
space of the heap, which is usually
much, much larger than the stack.
The code, data, stack and heap?
Not really a question, but I wanted to clarify. The "code" segment contains the executable bytes for your application. Typically code segments are read only in memory to help prevent tampering. The data segment contains constants that are compiled into the code - things like strings in your code or array initializers need to be stored somewhere, the data segment is where they go. Again, the data segment is typically read only.
The stack is a writable section of memory, and usually has a limited size. The OS will initialize the stack and the C startup code calls your main() function for you. The heap is also a writable section of memory. It's reserved by the OS, and functions like malloc and free manage getting chunks out of it and putting them back.
So, that's the overview. I hope this helps.
With respect to stack... This is precicely where the parameters and local variables of the functions / procedures are stored. To be more precise, the params and local variables of the currently executing function is only accessible from the stack... Other variables that belong to chain of functions that were executed before it will be in stack but will not be accessible until the current function completed its operations.
With respect global variables, I believe these are stored in data segment and is always accessible from any function within the created program.
With respect to Heap... These are additional memories that can be made allotted to your program whenever you need them (malloc or new)... You need to know where the allocated memory is in heap (address / pointer) so that you can access it when you need. Incase you loose the address, the memory becomes in-accessible, but the data still remains there. Depending on the platform and language this has to be either manually freed by your program (or a memory leak occurs) or needs to be garbage collected. Heap is comparitively huge to stack and hence can be used to store large volumes of data (like files, streams etc)... Thats why Objects / Files are created in Heap and a pointer to the object / file is stored in stack.
In terms of C/C++ programs, the data segment stores static (global) variables, the stack stores local variables, and the heap stores dynamically allocated variables (anything you malloc or new to get a pointer to). The code segment only stores the machine code (the part of your program that gets executed by the CPU).

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