I have been working on an application that takes dates from server in a certain format as given below.
"2015-02-03 00:00:00"
I want to show them with different UI format using NSDateFormatter
but as i change the timezone it show previous day or sometimes next day as i changing timezone. One important thing that server side date can be in any of timezone. So, we don't know what kind of timezone date has.
I need help to show this to the date as it is on server not change due to local timezone.
Thanks.
The simplest approach would be to parse it as if it were UTC - making it always valid, and without ever needing DST adjustments - and then format it in UTC as well. In other words, set the time zone of both the formatter and parser to UTC. For types which need a time zone, that's the simplest way of faking "There isn't a time zone here, just treat it all as local to an unspecified time zone."
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I trying to parse a date in ISO 8601 format and some moments aren't clear for me.
For example, I have the next date: 2020-04-16T07:16:34.858215+03:00 in Europe/Moscow timezone.
Does it mean 07:16 in Moscow time or 10:16? I mean do I need to add 3 hours to date or date is in Moscow time already and timezone just shows how it diffs from UTC?
P.S. I tried to find information about it but everywhere is just common format description without details.
The time specified is the local time, so 2020-04-16T07:16:34.858215+03:00 means 7:16am in Moscow, or 4:16am UTC.
Wikipedia has a good example which clarifies things to at least some extent:
The following times all refer to the same moment: "18:30Z", "22:30+04", "1130−0700", and "15:00−03:30". Nautical time zone letters are not used with the exception of Z. To calculate UTC time one has to subtract the offset from the local time, e.g. for "15:00−03:30" do 15:00 − (−03:30) to get 18:30 UTC.
It's really unfortunate that ISO-8601 talks about this as a time zone, when it's only a UTC offset - it definitely doesn't specify the actual time zone. (So you can't tell what the local time will be one minute later, for example.)
how can we convert the GMT to local SQL DATE?
When i store GMT time , then 1 hour is subtracted from this value.
please help me.
Your question is a bit ambiguous as written, but I am guessing that you want to convert a UTC datetime (sometimes called GMT or Zulu time) into a datetime in your local timezone.
You indicate that your local time zone is -1 hour offset from UTC time.
In this case you simply use the DATEADD function:
SET MyTimeLocal = DATEADD(HH, -1, MyTimeGMT)
Note that this will only work so long as your time zone really is one hour before UTC time. If your location uses daylight saving time, this will be wrong as soon as the time changes, and it will be extra wrong when the time to be converted falls in the crack of the clock change.
There are many better ways to do this in general, but to give a general solution we would need to know what version of SQL is being used and what exactly you are trying to accomplish.
I am creating a Rails API that will be consumed by a Javascript framework. Time display and manipulation will be controlled with MomentJS. It is important for the front-end to be able to display the dates along with the time zone abbreviations (e.g. 1/1/2010 11:00 PST).
From what I understand, an offset (e.g. -0700) is not enough to determine the actual timezone, and the timezone abbreviations aren't always unique.
I can think of only two options to solve this:
Return all times in UTC and have an extra field for each time specifying the timezone (e.g. { pick_up: "17-06-08T18:59:21.215Z", pick_up_tz: 'America/New_York' } (or pick_up_tz: 'PST')
Use a non-standard datetime format, something that includes both the timezone abbreviation and the offset (e.g. { pick_up: "17/09/06 13:34:00 CDT -05:00")
Are these reasonable solutions or is there a better way?
Use a non-standard datetime format
Never do this. An API should always return time in ISO 8601.
Return all times in UTC and have an extra field for each time specifying the timezone
You are correct that an offset is insufficient to identify time zone, so you do need to include that in the API response, ideally as an IANA time zone.
Whether you convert to UTC or include an offset is a matter of preference; 2017-06-08T18:59:21.215Z and 2017-06-08T11:59:21.215-0700 mean the same time, regardless of the time zone you convert to for display. Including the offset can be useful to identify if the stored offset is different from the time zone, as you might only show the time zone qualifier if the offset is different.
We're currently storing local datetime of Pacific/Hawaii in the database. Assuming that I cannot change these dates to UTC, what information do I need to add to support timezone?
My thoughts are:
First, add a timezone field to indicate which timezone the user is viewing from. (The user will select this from a dropdown)
Second, add timezone field to indicate the timezone (Pacific/Hawaii) of the current datetimes values in the database.
Third, add offset to cover DST hours
So say a user from America/Los_Angeles views the site, it would pull the datetime from the database, append the offset and apply the timezone of Hawaii before converting it to Los Angeles time. For any calculation or comparison I would convert the Hawaii time to UTC first, then convert the UTC result to Los Angeles. Am I missing anything?
Your question is very broad, and without knowing more about your application, the platform, how you use collect dates and times, what they represent, etc., I can only speak in generalities.
Storing in UTC is recommended, but that is just by convention. The main necessities are that the time zone you are storing data in does not have DST (which Hawaii hasn't since 1947), and that you do not rely on your computer's operating system or environment settings to determine what time zone to use. You can use the Hawaiian time zone if you must. Be sure you document it somewhere though! It will surely be a surprise to anyone else that comes along in the lifecycle of the application.
While it would wolk, there is absolutely no advantage to doing this. You could just as easily convert your data to UTC when you roll out these changes and use UTC going forward. (That would be the preferred approach.)
The IANA time zone ID for Hawaii is "Pacific/Honolulu". If you're on Windows/.Net, the TimeZoneInfo ID is "Hawaiian Standard Time". Either way, they must be spelled, cased, and punctuated in exactly that manner.
Make sure you understand that a Time Zone Offset and a Time Zone are two different concepts. While Hawaii may use a fixed offset of -10:00, that's not guaranteed for most time zones. Please read the timezone tag wiki for further details.
You should probably not attempt to implement your own time zone logic. There are libraries for this in almost every language. Look to see what is appropriate for your platform. (If you provide details, I can offer suggestions.)
It would be a more robust solution to store the times as UTC time as time zone is local to the specific PC that is displaying the data. In your case if you store time plus offset how can you decide which offset to store? Not a workable solution if multiple time zones are involved.
I live in a country where they change the time twice a year. That is: there is a period in the year when the offset from UTC is -3 hours (-180 mins) and other period where the offset is -4 hours (-240 mins)
Grafically:
|------- (offset = -3) -------|------- (offset is -4) -------|
start of year mid end of year
My question is:
the "timezone" is just the number representing the offset? that is: my country has two timezones? or the timezone includes this information?
This is important because I save every date in UTC timezone (offset = 0) in my database.
Should I, instead, be saving the dates with local timezone and saving their offset (at the moment of saving) too?
Here is an example of a problem I see by saving the dates with timezone UTC:
Lets say I have a system where people send messages.
I want to have a statistics section where I plot "messages sent v/s hour" (ie: "Messages sent by hour in a regular day")
Lets say there are just two messages in the whole database:
Message 1, sent in march 1, at UTC time 5 pm (local time 2 pm)
Message 2, sent in august 1, at UTC time 5 pm (local time 1 pm)
Then, if I create the plot on august 2, converting those UTC dates to local would give me: "2 messages where sent at 1 pm", which is erratic information!
From the timezone tag wiki here on StackOverflow:
TimeZone != Offset
A time zone can not be represented solely by an offset from UTC. Many
time zones have more than one offset due to "daylight savings time" or
"summer time" rules. The dates that offsets change are also part of
the rules for the time zone, as are any historical offset changes.
Many software programs, libraries, and web services disregard this
important detail, and erroneously call the standard or current offset
the "zone". This can lead to confusion, and misuse of the data. Please
use the correct terminology whenever possible.
There are two commonly used database, the Microsoft Windows time zone db, and the IANA/Olson time zone db. See the wiki for more detail.
Your specific questions:
the "timezone" is just the number representing the offset? that is: my country has two timezones? or the timezone includes this information?
You have one "time zone". It includes two "offsets".
Should I, instead, be saving the dates with local timezone and saving their offset (at the moment of saving) too?
If you are recording the precise moment an event occurred or will occur, then you should store the offset of that particular time with it. In .Net and SQL Server, this is represented using a DateTimeOffset. There are similar datatypes in other platforms. It only contains the offset information - not the time zone that the offset originated from. Commonly, it is serialized in ISO8601 format, such as:
2013-05-09T13:29:00-04:00
If you might need to edit that time, then you cannot just store the offset. Somewhere in your system, you also need to have the time zone identifier. Otherwise, you have no way to determine what the new offset should be after the edit is made. If you desire, you can store this with the value itself. Some platforms have objects for exactly this purpose - such as ZonedDateTime in NodaTime. Example:
2013-05-09T13:29:00-04:00 America/New_York
Even when storing the zone id, you still need to record the offset. This is to resolve ambiguity during a "fall-back" transition from a daylight offset to a standard offset.
Alternatively, you could store the time at UTC with the time zone name:
2013-05-09T17:29:00Z America/New_York
This would work just as well, but you'd have to apply the time zone before displaying the value to anyone. TIMESTAMP WITH TIME ZONE in Oracle and PostgreSQL work this way.
You can read more about this in this post, while .Net focused - the idea is applicable to other platforms as well. The example problem you gave is what I call "maintaining the perspective of the observer" - which is discussed in the same article.
that is: my country has two timezones? or the timezone includes this information?
The term "timezone" usually includes that information. For example, in Java, "TimeZone represents a time zone offset, and also figures out daylight savings" (link), and on Unix-like systems, the tz database contains DST information.
However, for a single timestamp, I think it's more common to give just a UTC offset than a complete time-zone identifier.
[…] in my database.
Naturally, you should consult your database's documentation, or at least indicate what database you're using, and what tools (e.g., what drivers, what languages) you're using to access it.
Here's an example of a very popular format for describing timezones (though not what Windows uses).
You can see that it's more than a simple offset. More along the lines of offsets and the set of rules (changing over time) for when to use which offset.