First of all (before this question get down voted): I am a developer developing 99,99% of my programs using Delphi targeting Win32 (developing in Delphi 7 still, very slowly migrating to Delphi 2010).
When Delphi 2006 or 2007 (can't remember which version at the moment) came out I bought the RAD Studio edition to be able to start developing .net applications using Delphi.net and VCL.net.
I played around with it for some short time, but in the end, due to work load just kept using Delphi 7 as development platform.
When Delphi 2010 came was released, I decided to give .net a go once more, and (foolishly) bought the Studio License once more thinking the include PRISM was the previous Delphi.net (to be developed in the Delphi IDE).
Now that I have installed PRISM (and the Visual Studio 8 IDE - o horror), I am just wondering whether PRISM is a new version of Delphi.Net or not (probably not). And if I can use some of my Win32 code under Prism.
UPDATE AFTER SOME REPLIES: I keep the question open because you get more answers when a answer has not been selected yet.
I do miss the Delphi IDE though. It's all a mather of taste but having to develop in two different IDE's (where f.i. the keyboard shortcuts are different - and I don't want to give up the Delphi ones, thank you)) is not my idea of spending my development time.
Prism is a replacement for Delphi .Net - it has been developed by RemObjects and its original names were Oxygene and Chrome ( http://www.remobjects.com/ ).
Because it's much more mature than Delphi .Net in the .Net segment it now is included in Delphi RAD Studio instead of Delphi .Net.
You won't be able to use all of your W32 code, but the syntax is very similar and most algorithms will probably work without any change.
See http://prismwiki.codegear.com/en/Win32_Delphi_vs._Delphi_Prism for a detailed comparison of Delphi W32 and Delphi Prism.
No. Delphi.NET was designed specifically to be backwards-compatible with Win32 Delphi code. Prism is not. It was not developed by the Borland/CodeGear team, doesn't include VCL support, and has a handful of minor language differences. It's better to think of it as a new dialect of Object Pascal than as Delphi.NET.
The main difference was that Delphi.Net was mainly a port of the RTL/VCL to .Net, as well as an adaptation of Object Pascal to be a .Net language.
It had to include a full blown IDE with a special Delphi.Net Form Designer.
The goal was to help move a VCL Forms application to .Net with a minimum of changes, or create new application without having to re-learn the IDE and the library.
Delphi Prism is also an adaptation of Object Pascal to the .Net world but with more emphasis on being a fully fledged .Net language (even more so than C#) and much less worries on being compatible with Delphi.
It is just the language, hosted in Visual Studio, and does use whatever designer is provided by the IDE.
So in the end pure Pascal code will be very much similar, and easily ported, but rich GUI applications will need more rewriting/redesigning.
Yes and no.
Oxygene (FKA Delphi Prism) replaces Delphi for .NET, but it is not a new version of it.
They have different design philosophies and are not 100% compatible. As Francois pointed out, Prism does not include the VCL.Net. Instead it focuses completely on supporting the .NET GUI Frameworks: WPF, Silverlight, Prism, WinForms, ASP.NET, etc.
Delphi for .NET was all about migrating and backwards compatibility. Delphi Prism is all about being a full featured .NET development language and "forward compatibility."
You can create you pure business logic as code compatible between Delphi native and Delphi Prism, but all the GUI and IO code (anything that makes use of the VCL or RTL) will be specialized.
Check out the Oxidizer and ShineOn for more help in migrating and code compatibility with Delphi Prism.
No, Prism has been labeled Delphi more to make it more popular, like Delphi PHP.
It's not like Delphi.NET, with a VCL-alike etc, or even a compatible language (it uses method instead of procedure and many other deviations).
So you can see if you like it, but from what I have seen from it, having used Delphi won't be much of an help, and neither do existing codebases.
Related
I have taken a look at these URLs:
check if runtime installed
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/concepts/distribution
some sample code assuming newer Delphi
Using WebView (EdgeHTML) in Delphi / C++ Builder
some sample code assuming newer Delphi
WebView2 (TEdgeBrowser) updated Delphi interface (e.g. ICoreWebView2Controller2)
Yet even those seem to assume a newer Delphi version than I use (XE4) ... and preferably I would like Lazarus support as well. At the same time I really love being able to use "newest available patched system browser" which is why I am not jumping on https://github.com/salvadordf/CEF4Delphi albeit it may end up being the final solution.
Is there anyone else who has begun the undertaking of implementing webview2 on older versions or is this simply impractical due to type libraries not being importable etc? (i.e. major headache in converting, implementing and testing everything, furthermore on old Delphi versions)
I recently published WebView4Delphi at GitHub with an MIT license.
WebView4Delphi uses the WebView2 runtime to embed Chromium based browsers in Delphi and Lazarus applications.
It was developed in Delphi 11 but it also works with Delphi XE3.
I have to develop an application to run on Windows CE accessing a remote Firebird database.
I would like to use Delphi to do so.
Is it possible?
Native Delphi only works with x86 compatible processors and Win32/Win64 or MacOS 10 API.
Ken White already pointed to you Delphi Prism, however if you would purchase it, instead of re-marked tool, you'd perhaps purchase the original product, i heard it comes with multiple platforms support instead of one. RemObjects Oxygene is the original product, part of which is re-sold as Prism.
Another option would be using Lazarus (vanilla or CodeTyphon distro). Its LCL library mimics VCL in many respects and FPC compiler mimics Delphi language (and some other Pascal dialects as well).
http://www.pilotlogic.com/codetyphon/help/index.html?cross_build_for_windows_mobile.htm
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Windows_CE_Interface
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=8175.0
No, it isn't. Delphi XE2 does apps for Win32/64, OS X, (and with the help of FreePascal, iOS), but not for CE.
You can probably use Delphi Prism to do so. There is a separate delphi-prism tag for that here at SO.
In fact, you may be able to use the Delphi IDE to build Windows CE applications, using KOL-CE library, after some adaptations.
KOL-CE - Key Objects Library CE is a set of objects to develop powerful (but compact) Windows CE/Pocket PC/Windows Mobile/Win32 GUI applications using Free Pascal Compiler. The library is based on KOL library by Vladimir Kladov (http://kolmck.net).
It targets the Lazarus IDE, but since it is a fork of a Delphi project, you may be able to use it in your Delphi IDE, perhaps after some modifications. And if you are not able (or do not have the time) to do the needed modifications, I'm quite confident that you would be pleased to use the Lazarus IDE and modern object pascal instead of switching to another language.
You need to install the FPC arm-wince cross compiler for Win32 to compile WinCE executables, but you develop your application in Windows, with the IDE.
Note that KOL is a light new set of components, very diverse to the VCL. Very powerful, but only low-level object code can be re-used, since they are not compatible with the VCL (or the Lazarus LVCL).
Using Lazarus and its native LVCL components is also available to Windows CE, is much close to the VCL classes layout, but will produce much bigger executables than KOL-CE.
For the historic perspective: no you can't in Delphi itself as of Delphi 2007.
In Delphi 2005 and Delphi 2006 could do this, targeting the .NET Compact Framework on Windows CE as Delphi contained a Delphi .NET compiler that was more compatible with the Delphi language than the current (but much more evolved) Oxygene .NET/Java platform implementation of the Delphi language.
As of Delphi 2007, the Delphi .NET compiler got retired.
Right now, Oxygene is much better as it supports a broader set of language and platform features than Delphi .NET ever did. It is less compatible with the Delphi language because the platforms it supports warranted for some language deviations that in practice are very useful.
Oxygene ships both separately (with a full feature set) and as Delphi Prism (with only the .NET portion).
For Delphi 2005/2006 you needed the CF Build Helper from Jeremy North and the Class Helpers I wrote (they are included in the CF Build Helper). A nice article on how to use both is at EDN.
Given the hoopla you had to go through back then, it is much wiser to use Oxygene if you want a language very close to the Delphi language.
For a historic overview of Pascal and Delphi like languages, read this article by Jim McKeeth.
I'm looking at Delphi web server apps, and the first thing I notice when I go into the New Items dialog is that there are several different frameworks.
WebBroker looks the nicest from a conceptual standpoint, but in the documentation it looks like its DB and session-management code is tied to the BDE, which makes it somewhat less than useful today.
WebSnap looks very similar, but the documentation says it's deprecated and IW ("VCL for the Web") should be used instead.
So I look at IW, and I can't make heads or tails of how it's supposed to work. The sample code is full of stuff that looks like it belongs in a desktop app, like clicking a button to fire an event handler to change the caption of a form element. (Wouldn't that have to be done client-side in JavaScript if we're creating a webpage?)
So what's the current standard framework for building a web server in Delphi?
While there are several commercial options available for writing web apps with Delphi, in my opinion Delphi no longer ships with a modern web development solution included as part of the package.
If I had to give an answer to your question though I would say that the current out of the box Delphi web framework is WebBroker. WebBroker is the only web framework included with Delphi that isn't deprecated or restricted in its functionality.
WebBroker was introduced perhaps as far back as Delphi 4. It's a good honest work horse but it hasn't really been improved much since it was first introduced. It leaves you to do most of the heavy lifting but it also doesn't get in your way. WebSnap and IntraWeb were built using WebBroker as their foundation which gives you idea of the level of services it provides.
A full version of IntraWeb has been bundled with Delphi Enterprise for many years but as of Delphi XE it now has several limitations (no SSL, no ISAPI deployment, 20 minute idle timeout) that will very likely mean you'll need to buy a license from AtoZed to use it seriously.
The version of IntraWeb bundled with Delphi Pro has always been far too limited to be considered anything other than an evaluation version.
Old question but still deserves an up-to-date answer.
Current 'settled in' solutions are:
IntraWeb:
https://www.atozed.com/intraweb/
uniGUI:
http://unigui.com/
Introduction
uniGUI Web Application Framework extends Web application development experience to a new dimension. uniGUI enables Delphi developers to create, design and debug web applications in IDE using a unique set of visual components. Each component is designed to provide same functionality of its counterpart visual component in Delphi VCL. This provides a very comfortable development environment very close to native VCL application development with an easy learning curve. uniGUI Web applications can be deployed to a server using one of the available deployment options such as Windows Service, Standalone Server or ISAPI Module.
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Advanced support for scripting client side JavaScript events.
Library core is fully optimized to achieve highest level of scalability.
Including advanced Stress Test Tool utility.
Comes with various deployment options: ISAPI Module, Standalone Server and Windows Service.
Supported Delphi versions: Turbo Delphi Pro, Delphi 2006, Delphi 2007, Delphi 2009, Delphi 2010, Delphi XE, XE2, XE3, XE4, X5, XE6, XE7, XE8, Delphi 10 Seattle, 10.1 Berlin, 10.2.3 Tokyo and 10.3.3 Rio (Win32 & Win64 platforms). (Linux support is in the roadmap)
C++ Builder supported.
Supported Browsers: IE 9+, Microsoft Edge, FireFox, Chrome, Safari and Opera
New state-of-the-art uniGUI HyperServer technology.
TMS WebCore:
https://www.tmssoftware.com/site/tmswebcore.asp
RADical Web
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Standard component framework for common UI controls and access to browser features
Debugging in Pascal code via the browser
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RAD development
http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/en/DataSnap_Overview_and_Architecture
DataSnap has been there for a long time, and the latest releases is DCOM-free. You can utilize it to build up server side piece (S in both C/S and B/S). Its current role is almost like WCF in .NET world.
Then if you are building a web site front end, you can use IW. But DataSnap makes it even possible to build up front end using PHP or other web technologies.
https://github.com/relativ/pascalweb
PascalWeb use pascalscript compiler , you can create web app, like php or python
Back when I used Delphi (win32), programs made with it would run on windows, with no need to install any runtime libraries like .NET or Java(?). Is this still the case? If not, which language can do that?
Delphi executables don't have any external dependency.
It's true since Delphi 1 up to Delphi XE.
I just wrote a post on my blog about this fact I like very much in Delphi.
http://blog.synopse.info/post/2010/09/20/Dll-hell%2C-WinSXS-directory-and-Delphi-paradise
No dll hell with Delphi applications!
Deploying a Delphi application is very easy.
If you need some database access, you could need some additional components, like the BDE, or the ODBC drivers, or whatever...
But there are a lot of stand-alone frameworks, with no external dependency, available for Delphi. We provide one Client/Server Open Source solution, using SQLite3 as database storage. And one of great feature of SQLite3 is that it doesn't need to install any client software. Our framework provide the Client/Server features, in pure Delphi.
Both the language and the IDE had some serious improvements from Delphi 1.
To name a few extentions for the language:
Support for interfaces
Records with methods
Record and class helper functions
Annonymous functions
Generics
Hinting directives
There are also some IDE improvements.
Unicode support
More integrated tools
Usage of identifiers (2011).
There are still some things missing:
64 bit support
generics still have some bugs.
It is still the case for the "normal" Delphi, i.e. Delphi for Win32. There is also Delphi Prism which targets .NET for which it is obviously not the case.
Currently there's Delphi for Win32 available, which doesn't require any runtimes and Delphi Prism (for .NET application development). Delphi for 64-bit native Windows development is promised next year.
Well, Lazarus obviously :-)
Seriously, Delphi is fine, but before you buy a recent one, if you need win9x support, check thoroughly. (since the unicode versions might no longer support that)
I recently bought Bob's book Delphi XML, SOAP & Web Services
in page 85 of this book the (Delphi 2006 8used) comes with several New Item Categories such as
C# Projects
C++ Builder projects
Delphi for .NET Projects
something that you don't have in a fresh installation
I need this ASP.NET Web Service Application that is inside Delphi for .NET Projects, but I can't find how do we get this plugin(?) to install in Delphi so we get all this new projects categories.
Does any of you use this and can tell me what is the Plugin?
image from the book showing what we are after
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We tried Delphi prism but it is not that as Prism works in Visual Studio it self and not in Delphi Studio.
We also tried to send an email to Bob Swart but no answer from him :(
We thought and we own RAD Studio 2007 Professional, and that comes with that Delphi for .NET Projects but not the ASP.NET Web Services, so, we are thinking that it only be available for the Enterprise or Architect versions, but I can't find any information regarding where is this (bundle details and what's inside what) :(
Thanks
The Delphi.Net functionality was removed after Delphi 2007, so I am not sure why you do not see the project type. But as Delphi.Net is a pretty dead technology it would probably make sense to look for an alternative for .Net development like Delphi Prism or C#.
Actually, since Delphi 2007, the functionality has been split into three different product, plus a fourth studio product. There's Delphi for WIN32 which includes C++ and Delphi for .NET which includes C# and ASP.NET. And then there's the Developers Studio which combines these development systems into one product. There are also products called Turbo Delphi, Turbo C++, Turbo C# and Turbo Delphi for .NET.
To be honest, Borland/Codegear/Embarcadero is trying to find the most popular combinations of these products making it very unclear for developers to choose the right version. Now we have Delphi Prism for .NET which integrates in Visual Studio, plus Delphi and Delphi for .NET or whatever. Anyway, I stopped upgrading Delphi since I bought Developer Studio 2007 simply because they're making a big mess of their marketing strategy.
Plus, they're becoming too expensive. For .NET development, Visual Studio will provide plenty of options already, especially when designing web applications. I will upgrade once the price becomes reasonable again and their marketing strategy becomes more normalized. I fear it will be a cold day in Hell when that happens.
You're probably using just the WIN32 version, not the Studio version which would combine both. Or you just installed the WIN32 and not the .NET part! Or, with Delphi 2007, you just start the WIN32 identity, not the whole Studio identity. (Delphi will install multiple icons, one for Delphi/WIN32, one for C++, one for C#/.NET and one for the complete studio.)
Just adding that I myself use the RAD Developer Studio 2007 and it does contain the ASP.NET Web Services. Just make sure you've included them during installation!
Got it.... (finally)
The best way to integrate Delphi code in a .NET output (in my case ASP.NET Web Services) is to download Delphi Prism (free trial version for evaluation) and use it.
File > New Website > ASP.NET Web Service > Language: Oxygene > Choose the required Framework
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This will create a normal ASMX Web Service with the .pas file as the Code Behind :)
Exactly what I'm after!